[NWCherokee]

So comparing two quotes. Both HVAC contractors are well regarded 30 plus year companies. In fact, I have worked very successfully with both companies on commercial projects in the past as they both have in-house design ability. These are coming in within $500 of each other with the 96% Carrier being the more expensive:


Carrier 96% Performance two-stage 59tp6b060v17-14

Carrier Performance 16 SEER single stage 3-ton 24acc636a003



or

Rheem 80% 2 stage variable speed R802va075317zsb

Rheem 16 SEER 3-ton RA1636AJ1NB


Was curious if anyone had any thoughts on this particular Carrier or Rheem equipment and 80% vs 96% in the Portland, OR area? I am currently leaning toward the Carrier, but I am open-minded.

 

[BaldLoonie]

You ain't comparing apples to apples. Why get a quote on a 80% from one dealer and 96% from another? What do most do in the area for heat? Seems to me it's a fairly mild climate so maybe 96% isn't justified. Might ask the Rheem dealer why he's quoting only 80%. Only other comment, the 24ACC6 is a more deluxe unit than the RA16. Sound blanket, compressor protection, American made as is the furnace. The furnace appears to have a constant torque motor even though Carrier uses the term variable. The Rheem is fully variable. It's also communicating with the Econet control (Rheem's version of the Carrier Infinity).

I read you are having a heat wave, stay cool!

 

[Mr Bill]

only other comment, the 24ACC6 is a more deluxe unit than the RA16. Sound blanket, compressor protection.

Maybe Rheem/Ruud is "finally" getting the message, we are actually getting the latest RA16's with pressure switches, miracles never seize. :eek2:

 

[vstech]

I agree, those quotes are completely different.
I would want to know why the contractor chose the systems hey did for the quote.
But if the companies are solid, and both will properly install and balance the equipment, I would choose Rheem over carrier.
16% more efficient furnace, but condensing has some placement considerations to deal with.

 

[Bazooka Joe]

Maybe Rheem/Ruud is "finally" getting the message, we are actually getting the latest RA16's with pressure switches, miracles never seize. :eek2:

They installing them as standard equipment across the board ( both the high and low or just one ? ) as I’ve seen they can be ordered with both High and Low Pressure switch SKU number.

 

[Bazooka Joe]

According to this specifications sheet your model number Rheem says it has a High and Low pressure switch.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/WebPartners/ProductDocuments/BC54CD66-87D1-46DA-B247-95CB3ED28330.pdf

Page 3 SKU.

If you want to know the SEER and EER ratings of both models would need the complete model number and brand of indoor coil to you, you can’t go by the rating of the outdoor unit solely.

Also the 96% furnace should apply for local rebates along with the A/C if you can prove it meets the minimum threshold for rebates, reason for asking for the AHRI number. Did you ask them for that number to prove efficiency ratings? If not ask them..

There is also the Federal Tax Credit for high efficiency systems.

Did they mention possible rebates and the Federal Tax Credits to you?

https://www.energystar.gov/about/federal_tax_credits/non_business_energy_property_tax_credits

Possible rebates https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...BlgQFjAAegQIBhAD&url=https://www.dsireusa.org/&usg=AOvVaw19WUxQBTiQc0GVu13UMfK_

Make sure to register your system of choice as manufacturers warranty decreases if never registered.

What’s the labor warranty of each Contractor, is one offering more than the basic one year, if so is that a plus consideration for that brand?

If one model has a slightly higher SEER and EER ( once finding out the AHRI number ) is that a consideration also. Granted those SEER and EER ratings are not real world but certainly applies for rebates.

What if one model gives you 15.5 SEER and fails to qualify for money in your pocket rebates and the Tax Credit while the other gives you 16 SEER and qualifies for rebates and Tax Credits, is that another consideration to lean toward that model brand?

 

[Adlerberts-Protege]

So comparing two quotes. Both HVAC contractors are well regarded 30 plus year companies. In fact, I have worked very successfully with both companies on commercial projects in the past as they both have in-house design ability. These are coming in within $500 of each other with the 96% Carrier being the more expensive:


Carrier 96% Performance two-stage 59tp6b060v17-14

Carrier Performance 16 SEER single stage 3-ton 24acc636a003



or

Rheem 80% 2 stage variable speed R802va075317zsb

Rheem 16 SEER 3-ton RA1636AJ1NB


Was curious if anyone had any thoughts on this particular Carrier or Rheem equipment and 80% vs 96% in the Portland, OR area? I am currently leaning toward the Carrier, but I am open-minded.

Email me, I can give you some specific information for here in the PNW. Email in profile.

 

[Mr Bill]

They installing them as standard equipment across the board ( both the high and low or just one ? ) as I’ve seen they can be ordered with both High and Low Pressure switch SKU number.

Really don't know a whole lot, but we installed a RA16 last week had both pressure switches in it, called out supplier and ask, what's up, they said the new ones are coming this way. We needed one yesterday, and we specifically ask for one with the pressure switches and counter guy said, he could not promise us, because they're all mixed up earlier and later ones. So my guess is, the new arrivals have not been out long, but why mix them up in the warehouse? that just didn't make sense to me.

 

[BaldLoonie]

I don't think ps are standard. The distributor has to order them that way. If so, the model # ends in B. Our distributor only orders the A versions without switches. Mr Bill's distributor may have gotten wise and started ordering them that way.

 

[Mr Bill]

I don't think ps are standard. The distributor has to order them that way. If so, the model # ends in B. Our distributor only orders the A versions without switches. Mr Bill's distributor may have gotten wise and started ordering them that way.

Thank you for letting me know about the B version, my guess is this "right now" is a real hush, hush, until they get rid of all the older versions, because the counter guy didn't say a word about any model number change, and I never really look past the RA16 except for tonnage on the model number.

 

[NWCherokee]

You ain't comparing apples to apples. Why get a quote on a 80% from one dealer and 96% from another? What do most do in the area for heat? Seems to me it's a fairly mild climate so maybe 96% isn't justified. Might ask the Rheem dealer why he's quoting only 80%. Only other comment, the 24ACC6 is a more deluxe unit than the RA16. Sound blanket, compressor protection, American made as is the furnace. The furnace appears to have a constant torque motor even though Carrier uses the term variable. The Rheem is fully variable. It's also communicating with the Econet control (Rheem's version of the Carrier Infinity).

I read you are having a heat wave, stay cool!

I did also get an 80% quote from the Carrier dealer.

Carrier Performance 80% two-stage 58to0a090v17-16

Carrier Performance 16 SEER single stage 3-ton 24acc636a003

The Carrier 96 option was working out about $300 more than the 80 because of the local rebates included in the quote for the higher efficiency model, so basically a tie in price with the Rheem. The Rheem was first in the door and their estimator was pretty set in his ways that 80% is all you need in this area. I guess that is also part of the question. I respect his opinion as we are in a mild climate, but at the end of the day it is on me to figure out the pros/cons I guess.

 

[BaldLoonie]

There are some nice tax credits for high SEER and 96+ furnaces. $500 maybe?

 

[NWCherokee]

There are some nice tax credits for high SEER and 96+ furnaces. $500 maybe?

I believe there is a $550 and an additional $200 that are in the quote.

 

[NWCherokee]

So I thought I would post what I actually got installed, which ended up being something else... One of the issues I had was that my existing AC unit was located too near my rear garage man door. Well, not too near for the existing AC which was quite narrow, but all of the proposed units would have blocked the door enough to prevent me from getting full use of the pathway. The only other location I have that would work was the opposite side of my house. This increased cost a bunch to relocate the electrical, remove very mature shrubbery and build a screen wall for the HOA since I am on a corner and it would show.

Instead, I decided to go with the Daikin Fit which would shoehorn perfectly in the area due to its narrow width. So I ended up with a Daikin DC96VC0603B 96+ furnace, Daikin Fit DX17VSS36 outdoor unit and, CAPEA3026B coils. The best part is that the fit is now on the other side of my family room wall and I can't hear a thing. The old 10 seer Payne AC was screamin' loud due to being a cheap 23 year old builder spec model. So far very happy....