[tinner73]

-4 means it's a 4 ton drive. POS furnace by the way...have the HX checked. they are known for losing the crimp rings that hold them together.

 

[bruno812]

-4 means it's a 4 ton drive. POS furnace by the way...have the HX checked. they are known for losing the crimp rings that hold them together.

Tinner ....Are you really as ugly as your avitar???

I came here for help and it seems like its went down hill every since. I really do think you are right about the furnace. Like i said before i really not sold on this old gooman crap. I might be better just getting someone else to check the pressures to see if i am low on R22 and get by till this fall and replace it all.


What i worry about is if i can use the old copper lines? So whats the deal is the R410 operate at higher pressures?

Would you experts be afraid to use older lines on the new R410 systems.

I really do appriciate all the help and information...Bruno

 

[tinner73]

i am pretty.

replace the copper if at all feasible. the oils are different...at the very least flush them out. manufacturers want new lines.

 

[Shamoke]

The copper lines will hold up to the higher pressure just fine but the oil in them from the R22 is different than the oil for R410A and they need to be cleaned out really well or replace because of that. I typically replace them unless doing so would damage the home I.E. run up the inside of walls or under concrete ect.

 

[Joker]

I have an older goodman with a 10 seer rating. I had been thinking about installing new air for the tax credit but not sure if it would be worth it. The local guy told me today that he had bought some of the Goodman 4 ton 13 seer R22 units.

He said I would be better off if i got one of these cause it would cost me a lot more down the road if i had to swap out to the new R410 units. He is telling me that my old copper might not be rated for the new R410 and also you are suppose to install new lines because of the different oil in the systems. He has quoted me to install a new outdoor unit but is going to leave the old A-coil its a HT4248.

I am starting to have second thoughts about the swap out. I now have a 3.5 ton unit so he said he need to change something out on the acoil if i want to go to a 4 ton unit. Can he leave the old HT4248 and install a expansion valve and make it work OK?

If I leave the old A-coil just how much is the Seer rating going to drop?

Thanks for any help on this mater...Bruno

Why do you want to change the unit out if it works?

How old is it?

How long do you plan on staying in that house?

Where do you leave?

These are questions a good dealer would ask.

 

[bruno812]

Why do you want to change the unit out if it works?
Well its right outside my window and getting tired of hearing it all the time and have wanted to upgrade it to al least 13 seer. From what i have read it would save me about 30% i dont really know if that is right or not.

How old is it?

The house was built in 2001 and the compressor has been replace in 2004

How long do you plan on staying in that house?

We could live here the next ten years or longer.

Where do you leave?

I assume you meant to say live ..just east of OKC.

These are questions a good dealer would ask.

It is working ...so so and can live with it for a while longer. I really am thinking like i might be better off waiting and getting some bids on replacing the whole thing. I am not sure i would be money ahead to get one i can get a tax credit for.

 

[Joker]

Why do you want to change the unit out if it works?

Well its right outside my window and getting tired of hearing it all the time and have wanted to upgrade it to al least 13 seer. From what i have read it would save me about 30% i dont really know if that is right or not.


Its only 13 if matched with proper coil.

How old is it?

The house was built in 2001 and the compressor has been replace in 2004

You have a chronic problem. You said you plan on living there for a long time.

What about electric bill? Is it high?

If the bill is high go with tax credit unit which means replacing total systems.

Goodman is a cheap unit.

 

[bruno812]

Why do you want to change the unit out if it works?

Well its right outside my window and getting tired of hearing it all the time and have wanted to upgrade it to al least 13 seer. From what i have read it would save me about 30% i dont really know if that is right or not.


Its only 13 if matched with proper coil.

How old is it?

The house was built in 2001 and the compressor has been replace in 2004

You have a chronic problem. You said you plan on living there for a long time.

What about electric bill? Is it high?

If the bill is high go with tax credit unit which means replacing total systems.

Goodman is a cheap unit.

JOKER... i would like to say Thank You but you have not told me any thing i didnt already know.

My hope was to get a little help at this site but i guess that was asking for way to much!

 

[seanddd]

We don't bash a brand because of bad installations.

Cheap doesn't necessarily mean lower quality, instead it offers better value. I bet you haven't looked at those DSXC's and GMVC's, they are great.

Why do you want to change the unit out if it works?

Well its right outside my window and getting tired of hearing it all the time and have wanted to upgrade it to al least 13 seer. From what i have read it would save me about 30% i dont really know if that is right or not.


Its only 13 if matched with proper coil.

How old is it?

The house was built in 2001 and the compressor has been replace in 2004

You have a chronic problem. You said you plan on living there for a long time.

What about electric bill? Is it high?

If the bill is high go with tax credit unit which means replacing total systems.

Goodman is a cheap unit.

 

[Joker]

JOKER... i would like to say Thank You but you have not told me any thing i didnt already know.

My hope was to get a little help at this site but i guess that was asking for way to much!

What about your electric bill?

What kinda help you want?

Yes get at least 3 bids.

 

[Joker]

We don't bash a brand because of bad installations.

Cheap doesn't necessarily mean lower quality, instead it offers better value. I bet you haven't looked at those DSXC's and GMVC's, they are great.

I sell Goodman as my second line. They are cheap but not near the worst out there. They have value and a place. If I have a choice from a top notch unit or a bottom grade unit for near the same price im going for the top notch brand.

There are many brands and proper installation is a problem for any unit.

 

[Mr Bill]

a 10 seer Gooman is far from fancy.

Upgrade Goodman? Wouldn’t that be an oxymoron? :munching:

 

[bruno812]

What about your electric bill?

In th summer it runs about $200 a month

What kinda help you want?

Is there a place I see what kind of Seer rating i would have if He used the old HT4248 A-coil and the New Goodman Seer 13 condenser?


Yes get at least 3 bids.

Dont get me wrong i really came here for some answers but been disappointed in the out come. I find it hard to believe that very large percentage of people here really run a load study on every house they install a unit in. I have know a lot of AC guys in my life time and most all have work for the smae contractors adn know how the house is insulated and how good the windows and ect are and have some kind of rule of thumb figure per sq ft they use.

 

[Joker]

Upgrade Goodman? Wouldn’t that be an oxymoron? :munching:

:deadhorse:

 

[Joker]

Dont get me wrong i really came here for some answers but been disappointed in the out come. I find it hard to believe that very large percentage of people here really run a load study on every house they install a unit in. I have know a lot of AC guys in my life time and most all have work for the smae contractors adn know how the house is insulated and how good the windows and ect are and have some kind of rule of thumb figure per sq ft they use.

At $200 a month peak during the summer would not be much. Considering your none a/c bill would be close to $100.

No way to see match ups for old coils. Wish there were but no money in it for anyone.

If your bills were that low then replacing it with a new model would be something I would advice my clients.

13 with an older coil will still come close. Maybe a 12 seer if guessing. Any R22 you buy nowadays will be even cheaper than the unit you are replacing it with.

If I were advising you I say do the outside unit with matching coil and up grade to 410.

 

[beenthere]

Dont get me wrong i really came here for some answers but been disappointed in the out come. I find it hard to believe that very large percentage of people here really run a load study on every house they install a unit in. I have know a lot of AC guys in my life time and most all have work for the smae contractors adn know how the house is insulated and how good the windows and ect are and have some kind of rule of thumb figure per sq ft they use.

And thats why they oversize the equipment hey sell.

 

[Mr Bill]

And thats why they oversize the equipment they sell.

Yea, but I thought more tons = more money for the contractor, that ain't the way it supposed to work?

 

[tinner73]

Dont get me wrong i really came here for some answers but been disappointed in the out come. I find it hard to believe that very large percentage of people here really run a load study on every house they install a unit in. I have know a lot of AC guys in my life time and most all have work for the smae contractors adn know how the house is insulated and how good the windows and ect are and have some kind of rule of thumb figure per sq ft they use.

you have gotten lots of answers here...apparently not the answers you wanted though. that doesn't mean we're wrong.

there's a right way and a wrong way..do what you like.



we had a jackoff named salv97 posting ..who didn't like the answers either..don't be like him. heed our advice.... .use the search feature.

http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=582202&highlight=salv97

 

[bruno812]

you have gotten lots of answers here...apparently not the answers you wanted though. that doesn't mean we're wrong.

I would have to say I have gotten a few good answers from a few but its was lower than my expectations for sure.

 

[bruno812]

At $200 a month peak during the summer would not be much. Considering your none a/c bill would be close to $100.

No way to see match ups for old coils. Wish there were but no money in it for anyone.

If your bills were that low then replacing it with a new model would be something I would advice my clients.

13 with an older coil will still come close. Maybe a 12 seer if guessing. Any R22 you buy nowadays will be even cheaper than the unit you are replacing it with.

If I were advising you I say do the outside unit with matching coil and up grade to 410.

Thanks Joker...My off summer months power bill runs $60 to $70 a month. I have about decided to hold off and see whats down the road. I will look at the cost savings or a 13 seer vs 12 to the old 10 Seer i now have. Like i said i am really unimpressed with the old Goodman system i have.


What is you top of the line you install. I really like Lennox. They sell a lot of Armstrong systems here. Was told they are made by Lennox.