[joemach]

The 3Ton M20 drops to 24,000 BTU at 17F and 21000 BTU at 5F. I didnt say it couldnt just instead that there are a lot of units that have better low temp performance. That was the unit I originally planned to get and was perfectly fine with one of the quotes i got on it.

I decided I wanted something with a little higher BTU at 5F. Went with the 38 Mura but when the quote was closer to 20 I just cant seem to think that is realistic as the VNA was only 2k more.

Regarding pricing certainly agree cheap is not best but you also have guys out here quoting double+ the equipment cost for a one day job to install which imo is insane.

Sometimes trying to go with the system that gives you the best low temp performance gives you a highly complex system that (depending on where you live), is difficult to get someone to work on. Even if you have a warrantee on it.

Make sure that the system that you get has qualified service techs in your area. As well as parts availability.

Also the up front cost is not always going to save enough in electric costs to justify the price.

 

[Jmccullough]

Here’s the performance data of the DLCURA for standard and high heat, looked exactly the same numbers as the 38MURA, standard and high heat which you can download and compare as it’s readily available.

Course you probably will not like the number that the ICP Arco Aire is bidding as you know what they sell for, but you do get a labor warranty and probably a better install and setup, than hiring a Craigslist Tech. or try to tackle it yourself..should be cheaper than a Carrier version as your paying for the name with Carrier.


https://www.shareddocs.com/hvac/docs/1010/Public/03/DLS-013-AR-00.pdf

https://www.icpusa.com/en/us/our-brands/

They are all the same models in each group, just the badge is different.

Is there any functional reason I would preference one ICP brand (e.g. Tempstar, etc...) versus another or would getting a quote for install on any of these units essentially be the same.

Also is there any other Midea remakes you are aware of outside of ICP that may be worth looking into. I was told that LG may make one and I looked up Pioneer but there units seem to be sold out everywhere.

 

[Bazooka Joe]

Is there any functional reason I would preference one ICP brand (e.g. Tempstar, etc...) versus another or would getting a quote for install on any of these units essentially be the same.

Also is there any other Midea remakes you are aware of outside of ICP that may be worth looking into. I was told that LG may make one and I looked up Pioneer but there units seem to be sold out everywhere.

The brands under ICP are all the same just different badges, you had a ArcoAire ( ICP ) Contractor come out, how did it go ?

Didn't you see the video that was sent you about anoooother knock off 38MURA, the AC Pro, thou, that brand may be more regional?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Gch4JPOVk

“I looked up Pioneer but there units seem to be sold out everywhere”

Maybe those DIYers are getting theirs hands on them also…

 

[Jmccullough]

The brands under ICP are all the same just different badges, you had a ArcoAire ( ICP ) Contractor come out, how did it go ?

Didn't you see the video that was sent you about anoooother knock off 38MURA, the AC Pro, thou, that brand may be more regional?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Gch4JPOVk

“I looked up Pioneer but there units seem to be sold out everywhere”

Maybe those DIYers are getting theirs hands on them also…

He was unaware that the DLCURA model could be used with an Air Handler so at the moment he is getting information from the supplier. In the mean time I was able to identify the comparable units between Carrier and Arcoaire. Any thoughts on which unit would be a better option though in general they seem vary comparable (i.e. if I understand correctly the outdoor unit is the same) but the first unit seems to have a higher SEER2 and holds a little better capacity maintenance at lower temps:

Unit 1:

Arcoaire - Outdoor Unit: DLCURAH36ABK Indoor Unit: DLFUAAH36XAK AHRI: 209852043 ASHP Listing: https://ashp.neep.org/#!/product/65272/7/25000/95/7500/0///0
Carrier - Outdoor Unit: 38MURAQ36AB3 Indoor Unit: 40MUAAQ36XA3 AHRI: 208447883 ASHP Listing: https://ashp.neep.org/#!/product/64688/7/25000/95/7500/0///0

Unit 2:

Arcoaire - Outdoor Unit: DLCURAH36ABK Indoor Unit: DLFULAH36XCX + CI AHRI: 213372121 ASHP Listing: https://ashp.neep.org/#!/product/144914/7/25000/95/7500/0///0
Carrier - Outdoor Unit: 38MURAQ36AB3 Indoor Unit: 40MULAQ36XCX + CI AHRI: 213603964 ASHP Listing: https://ashp.neep.org/#!/product/145484/7/25000/95/7500/0///0

 

[Bazooka Joe]

He was unaware that the DLCURA model could be used with an Air Handler so at the moment he is getting information from the supplier. In the mean time I was able to identify the comparable units between Carrier and Arcoaire. Any thoughts on which unit would be a better option though in general they seem vary comparable (i.e. if I understand correctly the outdoor unit is the same) but the first unit seems to have a higher SEER2 and holds a little better capacity maintenance at lower temps:

Unit 1:

Arcoaire - Outdoor Unit: DLCURAH36ABK Indoor Unit: DLFUAAH36XAK AHRI: 209852043 ASHP Listing: https://ashp.neep.org/#!/product/65272/7/25000/95/7500/0///0
Carrier - Outdoor Unit: 38MURAQ36AB3 Indoor Unit: 40MUAAQ36XA3 AHRI: 208447883 ASHP Listing: https://ashp.neep.org/#!/product/64688/7/25000/95/7500/0///0

Unit 2:

Arcoaire - Outdoor Unit: DLCURAH36ABK Indoor Unit: DLFULAH36XCX + CI AHRI: 213372121 ASHP Listing: https://ashp.neep.org/#!/product/144914/7/25000/95/7500/0///0
Carrier - Outdoor Unit: 38MURAQ36AB3 Indoor Unit: 40MULAQ36XCX + CI AHRI: 213603964 ASHP Listing: https://ashp.neep.org/#!/product/145484/7/25000/95/7500/0///0

What are you referring to when you say the 1st unit, Unit 1 both the ArcoAir and Carrier?

If so thinking I’d lean towards the ArcoAire as it should be cheaper in price than the Carrier as your not paying for the name, that’s one perk, same manufacturer warranty as the Carrier, another perk, same outdoor unit as you mention, another perk, better efficiency ratings than others, you should be looking at EER2 and HSPF2 also and not necessarily on SEER2 with Heat Pumps. Those numbers are not really world but should be close to what you may see with a quality installation, setup, proper ductwork.

Didn’t look really close at the efficiency ratings but they could easily meet the Federal Tax Credits and your states rebates as a AHRI matched system is needed for those programs which you have..

 

[Jmccullough]

What are you referring to when you say the 1st unit, Unit 1 both the ArcoAir and Carrier?

If so thinking I’d lean towards the ArcoAire as it should be cheaper in price than the Carrier as your not paying for the name, that’s one perk, same manufacturer warranty as the Carrier, another perk, same outdoor unit as you mention, another perk, better efficiency ratings than others, you should be looking at EER2 and HSPF2 also and not necessarily on SEER2 with Heat Pumps. Those numbers are not really world but should be close to what you may see with a quality installation, setup, proper ductwork.

Didn’t look really close at the efficiency ratings but they could easily meet the Federal Tax Credits and your states rebates as a AHRI matched system is needed for those programs which you have..

The difference between the Unit 1 and Unit 2 is the Indoor Air Handler(s). I just listed the Carrier equivalents to show the same units under the Carrier name otherwise I wouldn't really pay attention to it.. You will see Unit 1 is the DLCURAH36ABK (38MURA equivalent) with the DLFUAAH36AK Air Handler it has slightly lower Capacity Maintenance both in BTU and % @ 17F then the other Air Handler but has significantly better performance at the 5F and -22F. Unit 2 which is the DLFULAH36XCX + CI Indoor Unit has a little better COP value. Realistically I guess I was just questioning should I really be worried about comparing the two indoor Air Handlers?

Also as a point of reference the installed quote I got for the Arcoaire was about 60% of that of the Carrier. It was by a different contractor as well which may be some of the cost difference but in general I am pleased if things work out to be in the ballpark of this quote.

 

[pecmsg]

Be advised the installing contractor is the most important name to choose. There might be a reason there that much cheaper and it's not the cost of the equipment.

 

[Bazooka Joe]

The difference between the Unit 1 and Unit 2 is the Indoor Air Handler(s). I just listed the Carrier equivalents to show the same units under the Carrier name otherwise I wouldn't really pay attention to it.. You will see Unit 1 is the DLCURAH36ABK (38MURA equivalent) with the DLFUAAH36AK Air Handler it has slightly lower Capacity Maintenance both in BTU and % @ 17F then the other Air Handler but has significantly better performance at the 5F and -22F. Unit 2 which is the DLFULAH36XCX + CI Indoor Unit has a little better COP value. Realistically I guess I was just questioning should I really be worried about comparing the two indoor Air Handlers?

Also as a point of reference the installed quote I got for the Arcoaire was about 60% of that of the Carrier. It was by a different contractor as well which may be some of the cost difference but in general I am pleased if things work out to be in the ballpark of this quote.

I wouldn’t be overly concerned about the last few digits in the Air Handler model number as in this case the X says not used, one says the voltage ratings.

I think +C1 after the Air Handler means a time delay, which most modern Air Handler already have.

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Who knows what the reason another ArcoAire Contractor was 60% cheaper, than the Carrier, certainly your not paying to have a Carrier badge on the outdoor and indoor unit, if these are two different Contractors ( Carrier bid vs ArcoAire bid ) the Arco Contractor be a tiny one/two man shop with very little overhead, is not as greedy with the profit margin, is a hack, works in house for a conglomerate and has a legal side job business, ( err I have couple friends who work in-house, and have a legit licensed HVAC business and the other a plumber on the outside ) does/does not give a labor warranty etc.etc. That for you to figure out.