[ga-hvac-tech]

Upstate South Carolina. The CU in CUfan99 is Clemson University; Go Tigers!

This place is great! I have some more questions for you guys but I think I'll start a new thread so y'all can really get your HVAC geek on!! lol

I think you'll discover I'm an idiot and cheap ass (probably have already but I'm about to leave no doubt) but oh well.

One of my good friends here in Atlanta graduated from Clemson... Mech Engineer...

Trammel and co heating and AC (Jason Trammel is the up and coming son of the owner, 3rd generation in the co)
Over in Anderson... good outfit, Jason is smart...
They are not cheap, however you will get your $$$'s worth!

 

[CUfan99]

One of my good friends here in Atlanta graduated from Clemson... Mech Engineer...

Trammel and co heating and AC (Jason Trammel is the up and coming son of the owner, 3rd generation in the co)
Over in Anderson... good outfit, Jason is smart...
They are not cheap, however you will get your $$$'s worth!

I'm about 30 miles from Anderson. I couldn't find Trammell and co heating and AC in Anderson through google. I did find a Jason Trammell on linkedin that works for Heating/Cooling Services Inc in Anderson. His profile says he plans to take over his father's HVAC company in the next 5-10 years.

 

[Makeitcold]

I have to ask if you've seen pictures of holes in your heat exchanger or were you told it had rust on it and therefore is bad?

 

[ga-hvac-tech]

I'm about 30 miles from Anderson. I couldn't find Trammell and co heating and AC in Anderson through google. I did find a Jason Trammell on linkedin that works for Heating/Cooling Services Inc in Anderson. His profile says he plans to take over his father's HVAC company in the next 5-10 years.

I believe that would be the one I was referencing...

Jason is sharp... understands the details better than most...

And since details and installation are more important than the name brand of equipment...

Well...

 

[CUfan99]

I have to ask if you've seen pictures of holes in your heat exchanger or were you told it had rust on it and therefore is bad?

I saw the holes, big holes with my own eyes. Pretty scary. No carbon monoxide detectors either. That’s been remedied.

 

[poppa]

warranties suck now days anyway, replace it in the near future.

 

[pecmsg]

I saw the holes, big holes with my own eyes. Pretty scary. No carbon monoxide detectors either. That’s been remedied.

Big box store detectors? Damn near Worthless. Wont alarm until reaching 70PPM for at least 1 hour.

 

[ga-hvac-tech]

Good chart... should be taken seriously!

 

[CUfan99]

Big box store detectors? Damn near Worthless. Wont alarm until reaching 70PPM for at least 1 hour.

Amazon. First Alert.

 

[Adlerberts-Protege]

Hey GA? Do you know Ted Cook in SC? His youtube stuff cracks me up and he seems to do decent work. Perhaps the OP can have him come out for a bid?

 

[rundawg]

Amazon. First Alert.

If you turn it around and look at the writing on the back, it will say “Conforms to UL Standard 2034”.

This means it will not alarm until it is sitting in 70 ppm for at least one hour (as "pecmsg" stated), and possibly up to 4 hours.

So it could be reading 69 ppm indefinitely, and you would never get an alarm.

UL2034 Required Alarm Points:

- If the detector is exposed to 70 ppm of CO, it must alarm between 60 and 240 minutes.
- If the detector is exposed to 150 ppm of CO, it must alarm between 10 and 50 minutes.
- If the detector is exposed to 400 ppm of CO, it must alarm between 4 and 15 minutes.

Only a quality Low Level CO monitor (non UL listed), will alert you to levels as low as 5-10 ppm.

 

[CUfan99]

If you turn it around and look at the writing on the back, it will say “Conforms to UL Standard 2034”.

This means it will not alarm until it is sitting in 70 ppm for at least one hour (as "pecmsg" stated), and possibly up to 4 hours.

So it could be reading 69 ppm indefinitely, and you would never get an alarm.

UL2034 Required Alarm Points:

- If the detector is exposed to 70 ppm of CO, it must alarm between 60 and 240 minutes.
- If the detector is exposed to 150 ppm of CO, it must alarm between 10 and 50 minutes.
- If the detector is exposed to 400 ppm of CO, it must alarm between 4 and 15 minutes.

Only a quality Low Level CO monitor (non UL listed), will alert you to levels as low as 5-10 ppm.

What the hail! Do I need to take out a loan and get 1 that will read down 5 ppm?

 

[rundawg]

What the hail! Do I need to take out a loan and get 1 that will read down 5 ppm?

Depends on how much value you place on your safety.

Most fire departments will not walk into a building without breathing apparatus on when the CO is greater than 35 ppm. Is sitting in 69 ppm indefinitely, a choice you find acceptable?

Our goal as professionals on this forum is to provide you with the safest option for you and your family. I know you can understand that, as well as appreciate it.

 

[CUfan99]

Depends on how much value you place on your safety.

Most fire departments will not walk into a building without breathing apparatus on when the CO is greater than 35 ppm. Is sitting in 69 ppm indefinitely, a choice you find acceptable?

Our goal as professionals on this forum is to provide you with the safest option for you and your family. I know you can understand that, as well as appreciate it.

My exasperation is with the standard not you guys. We won't wake up dead with only these UL-2034's will we?

 

[rundawg]

My exasperation is with the standard not you guys. We won't wake up dead with only these UL-2034's will we?

Everyones tolerance to CO is different, as the elderly and young, are the most susceptible.

Long term low level exposure to CO is more dangerous than short durations of high levels of CO.

I can not sit here with good conscious and tell you that "you will be fine" with one of those CO detectors.

 

[CUfan99]

Everyones tolerance to CO is different, as the elderly and young, are the most susceptible.

Long term low level exposure to CO is more dangerous than short durations of high levels of CO.

I can not sit here with good conscious and tell you that "you will be fine" with one of those CO detectors.

Ok, I found some that will alarm at 30 ppm and have a digital display of the ppm. I'll be interested to see what they detect especially when the vent-less logs are burning.
Thanks!

 

[rundawg]

Ok, I found some that will alarm at 30 ppm and have a digital display of the ppm. I'll be interested to see what they detect especially when the vent-less logs are burning.
Thanks!

The good CO monitors I know of are the CO Experts PG2017-5, the Defender LL6070, and the NSI 3000.

The later one can only be purchased through a Contractor who has been trained in CO Safety and Combustion Performance.

The NSI 3000 will start reading a levels as low as 5 ppm, and start alarming at 15 ppm.

 

[pecmsg]

My exasperation is with the standard not you guys. We won't wake up dead with only these UL-2034's will we?

Lets see

I like the Parking garage level 25 PPM Limit Max.

So how's 69 PPM for hours or days safe?

 

[ga-hvac-tech]

Hey GA? Do you know Ted Cook in SC? His youtube stuff cracks me up and he seems to do decent work. Perhaps the OP can have him come out for a bid?

Do not know Ted, however know Jason Trammel...
Referred they guy to Jason

 

[Adlerberts-Protege]

Do not know Ted, however know Jason Trammel...
Referred they guy to Jason

Right on. Seen many of his posts here. Seems like a sharp guy.