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Rheem Mod Thermostat vs. Honeywell IAQ

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#1 · (Edited)
It seems that I'm back to the 90% Rheem Mod furnace. I would just as soon get a 80% for my needs as a gas furnace back up a heat pump. However, when I asked about the cost of the 80% with the ECM blower, there is not much price difference between that and the Mod.

The heat pump is the RPNE 13 SEER.

It seemed to me, from reading here that the Honeywell was the most versitile and recommended thermostat. Except, when combined with the Rheem Mod, it would make it into a three stage gas furnace instead of a 13 stage. However, it would still do a very good job of controlling the fan speeds and heat pump speeds to get the humidity control, provided it was connected to enough sensors.

Since I'm likely to spend a bit more for the Mod furnace, I would like to be able to use it. However, if the Rheem Mod thermostat will not incorporate the features of the Honeywell as related to fan and heat pump speeds for humidity control, I may want to sacrafice the additional stages for the humidity control. As I understand the comments on the Honeywell IAQ, it can command the heat pump to operate on a low speed and the blower to operate on a low speed to provide some cooling and longer run times to cause moisture drop through the cooling coil. If that is incorrect, I like to know it. But, will the Rheem Mod thermostat do that also?

As to the 80% furnace with the ECM motor. I'm told that this furnace will not have the open chamber allowing for "dilution air" to go into the flue vent. My 40 yr. old furnace has an open fire, more or less, an open vent up the chimney. I'm told that it is the lack of that dilution air that causes the need for the chimney liner in either case of the 90% or the 80% with ECM. Any comment on that report?

Thanks for all the help.
 
#2 ·
The 13 SEER Rheem heat pump is a single stage HP, so the IAQ can't tell it to run at a lower stage.
The IAQ can slow the blower.

With the Mod stat, you can use a humidistat to slow the blower also.

As much of a fan of the IAQ as I am, I would hate to see a mod furnace crippled.
 
#4 · (Edited)
First, which Rheem Heat Pump will give me a two stage scroll compressor? And, is there a reason not to get that one? Huge cost difference?

Second, is there a Rheem 80%, with the ECM variable speed motor, that would have the "dilution air" so that I do not need the chimney liner. Whatever the inefficiencies of the current furnace - large - I'm only using 90 mcf a year now, including water heater. Absolute best efficiency is not my greatest concern. I'm replacing a 30 yr old Sears A/C and a Sunbeam gas furnace that is probably 40 yrs old - cracked firebox. 50 yr old house with lots of leaks but energy costs are still not too bad.

And Twilli, hope the truck payment got sent in on time. Don't forget to send in the funds for the 33.50 X 16 crome wheels and tires. I hope there is a little left over for Adult Beverages and some charcoal to cook the possums for the family get together at the burying ground.

Thanks
 
#6 ·
If'n it were me, I would use the mod stat, and configure the cooling for multistage and wire Y2 into the ODD terminal and configure the furnace for ODD, that way you would have humidity removal, and if needed the additional sensible.

If you cant keep your humidity in check with that set up, you got significant issues including oversized equipement. The 13 SEER unit has like a .70 sensible ratio to begin with.
 
#7 ·
Finally going in.

Furnace and HP install was to be today, Wednesday. Going to begin on Thursday. The contractor told me that this is the first Rheem Mod Furnace and the first Mod Thermostst that his distributor has sold.

docholiday,

Can you tell me what ODD means and what is "sensible"?
I have had this fellow take care of the few HVAC problems I've had for the last 20 yrs. This project is a bit different from his normal install or replace job. I would like to get all the benefits from the fairly system capabilities so may have a few more questions about setting up the controls.

thanks
 
#9 ·
Furnace and HP install was to be today, Wednesday. Going to begin on Thursday. The contractor told me that this is the first Rheem Mod Furnace and the first Mod Thermostst that his distributor has sold.

docholiday,

Can you tell me what ODD means and what is "sensible"?
I have had this fellow take care of the few HVAC problems I've had for the last 20 yrs. This project is a bit different from his normal install or replace job. I would like to get all the benefits from the fairly system capabilities so may have a few more questions about setting up the controls.

thanks

ODD = On demand dehumidification

Sensible refers to heat which causes a change of temperature, i.e., you can feel it.

Latent (in case you're interested) refers to heat required to change the state of matter. Example: ice at 32 degrees requires x amount of calories per gram to change state (melt) to water at 32 degrees (heat of fusion). Also, water at 212 degrees requires x calories per gram to change to vapor (boil) at 212 degrees (heat of vaporization). Also works in reverse--water vapor in air (in household air) condenses on your a/c evaporator coil as the heat of vaporization is removed (absorbed) by the boiling of liquid refrigerant.

Gee, I just rattled that off of the top of my head--haven't used that since high school. Hope I didn't make a mistake.

AM
 
#8 ·
Can you tell me what ODD means and what is "sensible"?



Twilli use in a sentence:

Don't you think its odd how much Mary's baby looks like Twilli and nothing like Bob her husband, the sensible thing to do about it is keep your mouth shut if you know whats good for you.
 
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#14 ·
Twilli,
You must really stamp them good. That must be the reason for your reputation as the installer of renown.

My experience is that it is ODD if there is any apperance difference based upon the sire of the offspring from ditch hogs. I thought it was sensible to consider them in the same way as labradors or rottweilers. Whatever champion fence jumper gets the job done does not matter - the puppies all look the same as the momma.
 
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