So no one here recycles r-22?

 

where I go you buy a cylinder and when it is full you exchange it for another empty one, no credit is given for the refrigerant.

if it is mixed refrigerant, I think you get a bill for disposal.

since you are in the business, why are you asking?

seems to me you should know this already.

I suspect you are really a homeowner looking to get a credit for refrigerant that was recovered from a unit that you had replaced or worked on.

BTW Johnstones is a supply house, not what I would consider a recovery center, they just handle the exchange and ship the recovered refrigerant to a recovery/recycling center.

 

I'm not a homeowner, I'm working in trying to help with promote recovery since the EPA laws keep getting stricter. See on my side of things, I'm told that you take your recovery cylinder in and it's an easy exchange. But I know people sometimes just tell me what I want to hear.

I'm working on creating a program with the wholesalers that actually gives credit/incentives to you all, not just them. But in order for the program to actually work I need to know what it's like on your end. You should be given credit for your recycled gases...even some of the mixed cylinders because I do believe some of those gases can be separated and recycled as well.

 

Mixed refrigerant has to be burned.

 

Around here they ive you a shiny new container when you bring back the old one, and charge you a cleanup fee of like twenty five beans for a fifty pounder. There is no incentive to the contractor, me to bring in recovered refrigerant, other than following EPA rules. They do, however write you a little rceipt for bringing it in, which is probably too thin to even wipe your butt with it.

 

nobody gives you credit for used refrigerant.

actually they charge you for the tank. they charge you to accept the filled tank. if the tank is too full, well guess what. . . they charge you again. . .

:nopity:

what do you mean by

"work with Refrigerant Reclamation"

if that's the case, why cannot you answer thier questions? ? ?

 

how about this idea? you supply the local suppliers with jugs. They supply them to us fo' free, and take them back fo' free. any refrigerant inside the jugs gets reclaimed, and you split the profit from resale with the vendor. or how about another way? you buy delivery trucks that run a route, much like those pesky snap on guys. You bring fresh cylinders along with you to each stop, and exchange the clean ones for the ones filled with recovered gas. any profit made in doing so goes to you. Each shop would be visited say every two weeks or so, but could also call your guys' cell phone to do an emergency swap if needed, specifically during busy times when two weeks might not be enough.
Wait, Brain fart. .....what if you could mass produce "refrigerant bags", liketrash bags only better. They come folded up real nice in boxes, and we carry them on the truck. We pay say....ten bucks a dozen. We recover the gas and press the little tab to identify what gas is inside. We then place them in "refrigerant recalamation dumpsters", located around our cities. you run a big old box truck and pick them up at each site. We actually pay you for the bags, and you keep the profits from reclamation. For any of these services to work, you also give us a "preferred" price on refrigerant purchases, say twenty percent off the going rate.

 

how about this idea? you supply the local suppliers with jugs. They supply them to us fo' free, and take them back fo' free. any refrigerant inside the jugs gets reclaimed, and you split the profit from resale with the vendor. or how about another way? you buy delivery trucks that run a route, much like those pesky snap on guys. You bring fresh cylinders along with you to each stop, and exchange the clean ones for the ones filled with recovered gas. any profit made in doing so goes to you. Each shop would be visited say every two weeks or so, but could also call your guys' cell phone to do an emergency swap if needed, specifically during busy times when two weeks might not be enough.
Wait, Brain fart. .....what if you could mass produce "refrigerant bags", liketrash bags only better. They come folded up real nice in boxes, and we carry them on the truck. We pay say....ten bucks a dozen. We recover the gas and press the little tab to identify what gas is inside. We then place them in "refrigerant recalamation dumpsters", located around our cities. you run a big old box truck and pick them up at each site. We actually pay you for the bags, and you keep the profits from reclamation. For any of these services to work, you also give us a "preferred" price on refrigerant purchases, say twenty percent off the going rate.

yeah, that first part will never happen. somebody will screw up the equation. the distributor we take our tanks to say the fee is for storing the tanks (evidently they are taking up valuble space, which is why they always have to order the part i need today) and to pay for shipping the tanks out to the proper disposal facility, along with the time it takes the counter guy to fill out paperwork associated with the mess. blanket excuse to make money if you ask me. . .

 

As a wholesaler, we exchange full recovery tanks for empty recovery tanks for a nominal fee per cylinder. Approx **** per 50# tank. The transaction is similar to an acetylene or nitrogen exchange. We would prefer to accept the full tanks only from customers that normally purchase their refrigerant from us. It doesn't really benefit us to accept tanks from anyone else. It's more of a convenience factor for our regular customers that we offer this service. There is no credit issued for the recovered refrigerant. We ship the full tanks off to a true "recovery center". I couldn't say what they do with it from there.

No pricing in posts please.

Thanks,

Mod team

 

As a wholesaler, we exchange full recovery tanks for empty recovery tanks for a nominal fee per cylinder. Approx **** per 50# tank. The transaction is similar to an acetylene or nitrogen exchange. We would prefer to accept the full tanks only from customers that normally purchase their refrigerant from us. It doesn't really benefit us to accept tanks from anyone else. It's more of a convenience factor for our regular customers that we offer this service. There is no credit issued for the recovered refrigerant. We ship the full tanks off to a true "recovery center". I couldn't say what they do with it from there.

No pricing in posts please.

Thanks,

Mod team

They make beer out of it duh! :bsing: :beat:

 

I will tell you what I see a lot. There is a nominal rebate on recovered refrigerant sent back for reclamation. This fee gets eaten up by wholesalers in conducting the business of exchanging tanks, cleanup fees, etc. Then, these "costs" get transeferred to the contractor, who in turn transfer them to end users. As I sit here and look through invoices, i see charges for "one shot recovery cylinders". You say well, duh, why are you buying one shotters. Simple, the local supplier doent have enough tanks to go around, especially when some contractors dont want to pay fees for cleanup etc, and either leave the cylinders in their trucks, or on jobsites. They got tired of buying tanks, and only have soo many, so they push the one shot deals. roughly thirty five bucks. buy a tank, resell it, and hand it back to the supplier of tanks. eff all that time spent tracking this stuff.

Then sometimes tanks are available. there is the tank deposit, the tank cleanup fee (yes, i actually believe they cleanup every tank too, not), and the recovered refrigerant charge. Flat raters have nothing on this effort, so tracking the charges, deposits and returns etc is a pain. Scale your tank and tell me how much is in there, so i can bill you by the pound. Wait, isnt that your job? I already marked it on the box. But your refrigerant scale isnt accurate. So why do you sell them then?