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One of our distributors is going to start pushing multiflex AC linesets, sounds like
another wreck to me. Anybody out there tried this yet? Good move or bad move?
 
Went to their web site, looks interesting. But like you say, don't count on me as an early adopter. Give them a few years to work out the bugs.
Just like the plumbers said about plastic pipe, it ain't gonna work, but it has...
BUT there were some mis-steps like polybutylene along the way.
 
They are starting to push this stuff at my local supplier now too.

Anyone know how much the crimping tool is, is it specific to this pipe or would one for PEX crimps also work?
 
This stuff is being pushed hard now in canada too. From what ive seen im hesistant . The cost of copper today its inevitable for manufacturers to find a cheaper alternative. I know of one large contractor who completed a multi family project with it a few minor issues from what I have heard (leaks on crimps) . I wrote it off as they employ a very junior staff. What scares me most about the stuff is its lack of identification. The white pipe is very similar looking too super pex . I can see a plumber in the future cutting a line thinking its water and look out lol. My other complaint is the stuff we see is uninsulated and they havent manufactured an insulation tailored to the plastic pipe , armaflex isnt a snug fit to the pipe also sliding it over crimped fittings would be a pain in a long run. The crimp heads range from 250 to 350 dollars for each size. Im not excited to start encountering leaks in this stuff. I will stick with a good ole copper lineset and some sil
 
This stuff is being pushed hard now in canada too. From what ive seen im hesistant . The cost of copper today its inevitable for manufacturers to find a cheaper alternative. I know of one large contractor who completed a multi family project with it a few minor issues from what I have heard (leaks on crimps) . I wrote it off as they employ a very junior staff. What scares me most about the stuff is its lack of identification. The white pipe is very similar looking too super pex . I can see a plumber in the future cutting a line thinking its water and look out lol. My other complaint is the stuff we see is uninsulated and they havent manufactured an insulation tailored to the plastic pipe , armaflex isnt a snug fit to the pipe also sliding it over crimped fittings would be a pain in a long run. The crimp heads range from 250 to 350 dollars for each size. Im not excited to start encountering leaks in this stuff. I will stick with a good ole copper lineset and some sil
Yeah I wouldn't want to pay that much for each tool head, I'm going to inquire at my local shop if they have a loaner so I could try before I buy. I'd like to give it a shot myself before I discredit the product as being useful. I can see the ease of flexibility really helping out in those situations where running new lines is very difficult.

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Yeah I wouldn't want to pay that much for each tool head, I'm going to inquire at my local shop if they have a loaner so I could try before I buy. I'd like to give it a shot myself before I discredit the product as being useful. I can see the ease of flexibility really helping out in those situations where running new lines is very difficult.

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I agree I havent dismissed it . Honestly its likely the way of the future . I think it will have an application . Impossible linesets where they must be fished . I also love the idea of few joints and brazed comnections . I come across way to many plugged screens and driers where lack of nitrogen and skill when brazing is apparent. I was surprised by how rigid the product is very similar to kitec water pipe with the metal liner, it eliminates the possibility of tight radius bends which can only improve flows. Anyone on the service side is inevitably going to have access to crimp tools in the future. I really do believe there will a huge reduction in cost in them as the product catches on. I hate being the first guy to try anything been there too many times. I will sit back and wait and watch while all the ultra cost conscious contractors are the guinea pigs
 
I attended a Carrier event where they had multiform featured. Just like pex plumbing pipe it's vulnerable to UV so I assume you'd have to insulate or protect both liquid and suction lines attaching to the outdoor unit.

I'll stick with copper for now.
 
Wow the uv resistance is interesting to hear. Thats actually a question I asked my local carrier manager . They didnt have an answer for me at the time . However I have seen a handful of installs already with exposed liquid line piping. It only makes sense for it to be vulnerable as pex or most other plastic or pe piping is .
 
Then 4 other manufacturers will start making this pex line set and just like csst they will each take there own proprietary fittings and each brand will have its own crimp tool so now ou have to buy a dozen different crimp tools in the future to work on what's out there.
 
Outfit around here using it. I asked at the biggest supply house around. They said they sold some for about a year then sales dropped off. Could be that users are getting it cheaper else where tho. Interestingly the co. using it is firstly a plumbing outfit. I don't like it because I see it as a dumming down of the trade, but there's probably other instances of that too over the years.
 
Outfit around here using it. I asked at the biggest supply house around. They said they sold some for about a year then sales dropped off. Could be that users are getting it cheaper else where tho. Interestingly the co. using it is firstly a plumbing outfit. I don't like it because I see it as a dumming down of the trade, but there's probably other instances of that too over the years.
Doesn't anybody view this as another step towards DIY. Brazing copper is a skill set not everyone can do, professional, something I can sell to people. When any half wit can do it doesn't our value as a professional diminish?
 
Doesn't anybody view this as another step towards DIY. Brazing copper is a skill set not everyone can do, professional, something I can sell to people. When any half wit can do it doesn't our value as a professional diminish?
That describes a lot of techs today!
 
Doesn't anybody view this as another step towards DIY. Brazing copper is a skill set not everyone can do, professional, something I can sell to people. When any half wit can do it doesn't our value as a professional diminish?
Yes, I agree. I don't like it either I see more and more of it now as compared to when this thread was started. I even see the white insulated line sets with four conductor run in them which actually is really handy if you think about it, if you're using it for medium temp refrigeration or AC I guess.
On the same subject though, with things like ProPress tools , I can now be a half-assed plumber and fix a few things, in a competent manner, using ProPress , whereas I wouldn't have had the time to before.

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I have been supplying this and used the Yogapipe on multitude of traditional systems and minisplits. We have had great success with Yogapipe on the traditional systems. We have had less than 1% failures on the minisplit systems. We are not pushing the product for heat pumps right now. The factory is changing their weld on the aluminum inner core. Once that is in production (supposedly this month) we will begin using it again. We have found this system to be incredible time saver and allowed us to run lines where we would have struggled before. The biggest compliment from your contractors is the insulation that is on the pipe. Its nearly tear proof.
 
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