[control_noob]

A quick follow-up... I'm a tech, not an owner or manager. 2 things: As a tech, if I am worth having around, my boss fights to keep me and keep me from even thinking about going somewhere else. From the tone of the OP this was not the case... Secondly, I've left good jobs before... but I've never gone to a new job and been dissatisfied or found out it was not to my liking. I've done the legwork and made sure the move was the right thing to do... to put the cost of this experimentation on the OP was wrong, the tech *must* realize that he made a mistake and the cost is his. The only way to keep this from happening again was to not hire him back or make him earn back his spot... demotion, pay cut, PM crew, whatever.

 

[Milk man]

Sometimes when an employee leave a company the boss/company was fired. Take a minute and think about it.

Some times when a employee wants his job back maybe the employee is giving his boss/company a second chance.

Maybe the employee was simply trying to better himself and did make a mistake. Maybe an open line of communacation is needed.

I quit my job of eight years last June. I offered to come back last July. After our meeting, I will never work for that man again in my life, my choice. And I am an above average employee, period!

 

[control_noob]

Sometimes when an employee leave a company the boss/company was fired. Take a minute and think about it.

Some times when a employee wants his job back maybe the employee is giving his boss/company a second chance.

Maybe the employee was simply trying to better himself and did make a mistake. Maybe an open line of communacation is needed.

I quit my job of eight years last June. I offered to come back last July. After our meeting, I will never work for that man again in my life, my choice. And I am an above average employee, period!

Good thoughts...

When a tech makes a decision to "fire" his boss, that means forever in my book. There is a thread going now regarding a good tech who is not being paid, his boss needs to get fired. You are generous to have given your boss a second chance, isn't it comforting to know you made the right decision to fire him? And, yes people do make mistakes... I've made many, my point is that all mistakes have associated costs... Money, status, pride, time, etc. To come back into his job "whole" would have been very lucky.

 

[tinner73]

A quick follow-up... I'm a tech, not an owner or manager. 2 things: As a tech, if I am worth having around, my boss fights to keep me and keep me from even thinking about going somewhere else.

don't kid yourself....if they could find someone to do the same job you do for less....you'd probably be gone.





From the tone of the OP this was not the case... Secondly, I've left good jobs before... but I've never gone to a new job and been dissatisfied or found out it was not to my liking. I've done the legwork and made sure the move was the right thing to do..


i sure hope you won't ever have to eat those words. kinda sounds like you're a..............PERFECT.





to put the cost of this experimentation on the OP was wrong, the tech *must* realize that he made a mistake and the cost is his. The only way to keep this from happening again was to not hire him back or make him earn back his spot... demotion, pay cut, PM crew, whatever.



maybe you could make him wear a sign!!!!! I TRIED TO FIND A BETTER JOB!
sounds like you would be out to "teach him a lesson". if you're gonna take that route both parties would be better off seperated. he was good enough for THREE YEARS of employment. some sort of bonus. couldn't have been too terrible. i think by hiring him back and penalizing him you're not going to get all that he is capable of. whatever that may be. you were better off not hiring him back. don't hire him back and treat him like an *******. maybe sit down with him, like a COUPLE OF MEN, and find out why he quit in the first place. maybe....just maybe....you (the company) were part of the problem. you two might be able to learn something from each other.
...Life is way too short for this petty shit.

 

[Milk man]

C-N, One thing I can now do is move on without the feeling I wasn't fair to my previous employer.

I don't make as much as I did with the last guy. But, I've found the things in my new job that would never be offered with the last one.

The reasons I left weren't due to money. More of a respect thing.

[Edited by lynn rodenmayer on 11-08-2004 at 08:20 PM]

 

[Dowadudda]

For the most part two two sides are out here, and one is extreme left and the other extreme right the way I see it.

Be more torwards the middle. It's a pleasant life here in the middle. Were all really happy here.

It is my hope, that this young man has learned his mistakes for not only taking the wrong job, but now works harder and ponders his past mistakes at his old job.

It's easy to be a dick. But it's tougher to give that kid a chance.

I was as wild and as lazy and as stubborn as they come. I had two men in my life who made this trade my career for me. I look back and I am ashamed of who I was once was. I learned a lot about life and this trade, together as one deal. And it could have been way different for me.

Keep us posted. Lets see how you two do?>?

 

[tinner73]

i don't think that this guy was 100% right in his decision to leave....but don't hire 70% of him back because that is exactly what you are gonna get........70%.

 

[control_noob]

don't kid yourself....if they could find someone to do the same job you do for less....you'd probably be gone.


i sure hope you won't ever have to eat those words. kinda sounds like you're a..............PERFECT.


maybe you could make him wear a sign!!!!! I TRIED TO FIND A BETTER JOB!
sounds like you would be out to "teach him a lesson". if you're gonna take that route both parties would be better off seperated. he was good enough for THREE YEARS of employment. some sort of bonus. couldn't have been too terrible. i think by hiring him back and penalizing him you're not going to get all that he is capable of. whatever that may be. you were better off not hiring him back. don't hire him back and treat him like an *******. maybe sit down with him, like a COUPLE OF MEN, and find out why he quit in the first place. maybe....just maybe....you (the company) were part of the problem. you two might be able to learn something from each other.
...Life is way too short for this petty shit.

When I started where I am now, I was the flavor of the month... I make them money, I get better at what I do, they keep me around... those are the rules, always have been. You are right, someone shows up here, the new flavor of the month, I may be out the door, it's up to me to *make* them want to have me around another day, week, or month. That's the key, I make them want me.

I'm not perfect, I stayed at my first real job ELEVEN YEARS! Nobody does that... The one after that was 6 years, then 5 years... I guess I'm not one to jump ship. I'm getting to be an old dog, set in my ways, the youth of today isn't what it used to be, sad but true.

The time to have sat down "like 2 men" was before he left... If he was worth having around I'd have asked him: What is wrong, how can we fix it, where have I gone wrong? Bottom line is, the tech left. It isn't punishment to have him show he deserves another chance, be it money or anything else. You feel the way you do, that's cool... I feel the way I do and there's no hard feelings.

 

[control_noob]

C-N, One thing I can now do is move on without the feeling I wasn't fair to my previous employer.

The reasons I left weren't due to money. More of a respect thing.

[Edited by lynn rodenmayer on 11-08-2004 at 08:20 PM]

That's cool, no guilt or unanswered questions... all relationships should be that way!

Respect is important, flows both ways... I find the money comes when you pay attention to the other things.

 

[control_noob]

Tinner,

You had a boss at one time that really busted your hump right? Me too... I didn't mean to come off as a dick, I think both sides could've done things different.

 

[tinner73]

Tinner,

You had a boss at one time that really busted your hump right? Me too... I didn't mean to come off as a dick, I think both sides could've done things different.

i agree completely

 

[Guest]

first time...shame on him...second time...shame on you.

 

[infwsdm]

To those of you that think he his being "punished" for the reduction of pay:

Would it be wrong if a boss fired an employee to better their company?

 

[Milk man]

To those of you that think he his being "punished" for the reduction of pay:

Would it be wrong if a boss fired an employee to better their company?

Some of those employees need to be fired and work at something that better suits their skills.

 

[tinner73]

To those of you that think he his being "punished" for the reduction of pay:

Would it be wrong if a boss fired an employee to better their company?

no...it would not be wrong. fire him...cut him loose. treat him like a man. but don't expect him to do the same job on Monday that he did on Friday for 30% less pay. would you???????? by doing this you are only going to prolong the inevitable. he will again be looking for another gig. hire or fire....but don't punish him for trying to better himself.

 

[tinner73]

i personally don't have to deal with this B.S. i'm union. if i switch companies, and i have, and then go back, which i did...twice. i don't go back at a "lower punishment" wage.

 

[MadeinUSA]

To those of you that think he his being "punished" for the reduction of pay:

Would it be wrong if a boss fired an employee to better their company?

An employee who is not fulfilling their job description and continues to not fulfill it after a warning should be terminated. It does not take a genius to understand his being unproductive would hinder the company. The employee getting rehired tells me he was fulfilling his duties.

This man was fulfilling his duties or they would not have kept him around for 3 months, let alone 3 years and paying him bonuses. Another thing, if they had to retrain him every Monday morning, everyone reading this thread knows he would not have been retained for 3 years either, and receiving bonuses. This fact alone tells me we are not getting the full story.

Bottom line, he committed no wrong. He might have been lied to as to what the new company would provide, and after being there one month discovered the job had been misrepresented to him.

The man simply laid off his last employer. When a company lays off an employee after a big job, do they reduce the pay when they rehire them? No. So why should his pay be reduced when rehired if he was performing his duties?

The man is simply being punished here because someone wants to flex their authority, and the employee could not say no because he needed a job. Maybe the company wanting to prove their manhood by reducing pay needs to take a deep look at their self and see why their program could not retain a veteran employee.

 

[Dowadudda]

You guys are taking this way out of context. First off, the originator of this has shown on this website wisdom and experience more so than some of you new guys. He's been around. This young man he is speaking about is not in the same category "yet" as some of you others. He is just a kid. So it is not like he is past the point of help. Like others we all know.

I applaud this action. So in a few months it doesn't seem to be working out. Atleaast then you can say you have given him ample time and chances to do well. And close the book on this young guy. But I can tell you something. I mentioned it in my earlier post about my own wild side as a youngster in this raquett. I have personally known, experienced and seen, some of the very brightest, some of the sharpest, some of the most determined mechanics start out very badly in this business. I liken my theory on this to the wild horse scenario. Some of the best built horses there are, are the ones still wild. And to make that horse an incredible one is to tame that horse.

The opinions about his pay. Read the thread. It wasn't much. You all should reread the thread. Have an open mind. I did not see anywhere, where I thought the boss was being in a mode of feeling superior or even trying to be a jerk. I think he's trying to tame a wild horse. Above all, it's this young man's choice to accpet the previous position at lower pay.

The union remark don't hold water either. As a journeymen level technician, the reason you have the ability to be mobile and move to another union signatory shop, is due to the fact that you have demonstrated yourself as being good enough to garner that freedom and respect. And I garuntee if you did suck you would not be employed at the new shop long. This kid is no where close to journey level status.

 

[spotts]

but don't expect him to do the same job on Monday that he did on Friday for 30% less pay. would you?????? [/B]

After a heart to heart talk, yes, that and more. So he can better himself and the company, This kid needs to get out of the "retrain him every Monday" rut or be let go. Thats last chance wages, his original wages and further raises are the carrot on the string to persuade him to put in an effort or weed him out as a useles employee.


The acid test for employees.... "How would you like him working for your competition?"

 

[Green Mountain]

Over the years I have found that it never works out to rehire a company employee. Once he quits you once, it is far easier for him to quit you the second or third time.

This even happen to me. I started working for a company when I first got out of service. Worked there 3 years and the boss got pi$$ed at me one day and he let me go. I was devastated! Ten years later (I had a name for myself by then) I was in a position where I needed a job again. He hired me back in a New York minute. 2 years after that, I decided that I wanted to go into business for myself again. I quit him in a heartbeat. Been here ever since. (25+years)

I have rehired a very few times and it has never worked out for either party.