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Condensate Drain Line Problems

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I was called out to a job in a condo building on the second floor of three total floors, located in West Palm Beach, FL. Their A/C unit had been having issues for months with the condensate drain line backing up and the Safe-T-Switch on the air handler being tripped. After the drain line was cleaned the problem seemed to go away, this was on an off like that till I was called out a few weeks ago. The reason they ultimately called was one of the fittings got broken and the drain line was leaking.

The unit is on a shared drain line. I blew some condensed air into the shared line to make sure it was clear. Then I replaced the P-Trap with a clear inline trap and the unit seemed to be running fine when I left. When I finished and had the unit running their A/C was the only one running and water was dripping out the condensate line outside. I received a call from them later that evening saying the Safe-T-Switch tripped again. They told me it happened while the shower was going and dinner was being cooked and that the unit was draining ok under normal use.

I went back out thinking the trap wasn’t deep enough I built a quick P-Trap and installed that and I also installed a vent pipe which the drain line didn’t originally have. I turned the air way down and drain was working fine, I stayed longer this time to make sure. Got a message from them later with the same result, under normal use was draining fine but if you start showering cooking etc. anything to produce a bunch of humidity the drain line can’t keep up and the switch trips.

They had to go out of town for a couple weeks and just got back and we chatted. The drain pan had filled up and even spilled over a bit. The humidity had climbed to about 70% in their place, they cleaned out the pan and ran the unit, while running the unit they had to keep cleaning the drain pan which is now overflowing even during regular use.

Could it be that someone in their stack put a positive pressure system in?

Did I screw up on the P-Trap and the static pressure is too high?

At this point I am at a loss… What could it be, but more importantly, what should I do?! Thanks

P.S. I have pics of the install if needed.
 
#4 ·
The unit is on a shared drain line
Remove it from this shared line and see what happens. if others traps are dry in this shared line, you could be drawing in air preventing the other traps from draining properly. shut down the unit your having issues with, Place a piece of paper or business card on the end of condensate line see if its sucking in air. Note: if its not drawing on air when you check, it could be doing at other times. Is there a vent in the condensate line after the trap as it enters the common line?
 
#5 ·
We have an office building similar to this, except it has fan coil units (FCUs w/chilled water coils). The shared vertical drain pipes are our biggest problem. The problem with trying to blow them out is that the compressed air (or SWOOSH gun) will escape out the drains of the other units that are above the blockage. Sometimes we have success with a man at each of those units holding a rag over the drain to keep the pressure on the blockage. But often we have to cut open the shared vertical drain pipe and snake out the blockage. SWOOSH or air will work if the blockage is between one unit and the shared drain. It could be that the shared drain is backing up and overflowing only one unit because it is slightly lower than the others on that floor. Giving the appearance that only one is blocked. This is usually what happens to us, but if blowing that one unit doesn't work, we know to move on to the vertical drain. Past experience tells us that.

I should add that we cut the vertical pipe down low near the large horizontal pipe that carries all condensate from the building. Chose a strategic location that will make snaking both directions easier. All the way to the large drain and up towards the units. You won't know which side of the blockage you are on until you cut it open. Sometimes there will be two or more elbows in a short run, and we will cut that whole section out.
 
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It could be that the shared drain is backing up and overflowing only one unit because it is slightly lower than the others on that floor. Giving the appearance that only one is blocked. This is usually what happens to us, but if blowing that one unit doesn't work, we know to move on to the vertical drain. Past experience tells us that.
I ran into a guy that would use garden hoses to clear out clogged drain lines, but we were talking about single families. If memory serves he said max 20PSI through the line. Have you ever used water to flush it out? Would that even work in this case with the shared drain line?
 
#18 ·
The 1st pic, the one w/ the clear tubing. I think that is referred to as a 'running trap' and it is not allowed on AC.
Then the pic of the re-done trap. Could a deeper trap have been installed by putting the trap to the left and down of the hot water tank
 
#21 ·
It has been said in another post, start with the basics. when pouring water in the drain pan, does the water flow out? if so its not the trap or drain.

A dirty coil can cause water to not drain off properly and allow water to be pulled into the unit. dirty filters or coil could cause a greater negative inside the unit, making it hard for the condensate to flow. Need to know your static pressure, you might need a deeper trap.

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