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Beware Of DOT $1,000.00 Fine !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I'm in the office this morning getting the deposits ready to head the bank, my service managers walks in tells me one of my guys has been stop by DOT department of transport. I tell the tech over the radio to call when its all done, I'm thinking in my head the worst is a citation you know set him back maybe 20 min. tops. Well I worry when a half hour goes by and no response, so I pull the GPS location of the van head out there. I could not belive my eyes what i saw. The cop weighed the van, as in he took a weight measurement of the van:confused:(was over weight by like 105 lbs) Made him remove the condenser out of the truck to inspect.. He found a unsecured actylene bottle ,a unsecured Oxyen bottle and a inproperly attached latter and hand truck. Wrote two citations for $500.00 each, had us there for two hours,them had the straight face to tell us to have a nice day,WTF :mad:.
SO WATCH OUT FOR DOT!!!!!
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I got his name and if ever calls I'm gonna sell him a Lennox :D yeah pay back
a bi*ch!
 
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#4 ·
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twilli I gotta tell u the thought when threw my head but If it back fired i be
writing this thread now from the county jail :eek:
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yeah service van the guy said he was going 11 mph over speed limit
70 mph posted everyone does 80 on I-95 :confused:
 
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#6 ·
Its happening in Canada too. I actually went through a checkstop one time on a major trucking route and got pulled over. I was given a once over told I had to change the kind of straps I was using. I was lucky because I was coming back from a trip on a ferry for work and wasn't carrying acetylene or nitro etc. It is just easier to pick that up on the other side if needed.
 
#7 · (Edited)
I know an old timer named Bob that had something like that happen to him when he worked for himself.A few years later he was working for a large service company and ended up at the citing officer's house for a no cool.
The officer didn't remember the old timer but the old timer remembered him.
Payback is a beouch!!!!


In a nutshell when you screw someone you may be required to bend over
yourself.:)
 
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#8 ·
Technically isn't he just undertaking the law. If your guy was doing 2 "over" the speed limit he can pull you over, and give you a ticket.. But how many times do people get a ticket for 2 over. The speed limit is what you "shouldn't" exceed.

I would hate to be pulled over and have them look inside my van. He the officer would get pissed right off when something falls on his foot when i open the door.I have one nitro bottle strapped up and one laying down. My oxy and act, bottles are in a compartment laying down. My torch set has the regulators always on the tanks. Refrigerant cans possibly rolling around the back. The list goes on and on.



I usually drive 5-8 over the speed limit myself but i am still thinking what my wife would do if i got a ticket.
 
#16 ·
you really need to get those tanks secured properly:eek:how would you feel about having a accident and the nitrogen tank get the top knocked off,go out the side of your van through the door of a innocent motorist causing death:eek:there are reasons for the rules!watch a demo of a nitrogen tank going thru a brick wall--it doesn't slow down:(I'm done venting:p
 
#9 ·
They're (the cops) there for your protection. The flip side of it is that there are consequences for having "cylinders fall out on feet", and for bottles rolling around.

Usually none of us are on the scene when "commercial vehicle enforcement" police are cleaning up the messes that are made when things are not properly transported.

Risk is one thing, but these guys clean up accidents daily, and I bet you would not be a pushover either if you were a cop.
 
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#14 ·
Bad Cop No Dougnut



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If I were a cop the only thing i push over is my self over a cliff :eek:
 
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#18 ·
Truck safety is important...having said that here is my story. My son was pulled over by the truck team; the cop looked in the truck and asked my son...what is the big tank...that is a recovery tank...OK. The cop walks away, he comes back and hands my son a five hundred dollar ticket for having hazardous material improperly secured (note, it was secured) when my son tried to ask him what was wrong with the tank he just walked away. The next week my son gets pulled over at the same spot, the cop looks the truck over, this time he goes inside hmmm everything looks OK. He says to my son, I am giving you a ticket for an improperly secured ladder, he says you have three tie downs you need four...:confused: Just then one of the tow truck drivers that they had there comes over, he knows my son and asked the cop to give him a break...the cop says OK get going. The tow truck driver tells my son that they are going to be doing these stops until they make up for the money they did not collect over the winter because of all the snow we had and they could not do their regular stops. We went to court and the judge asked us about the tank. We tell him it was an empty recovery tank and was in a vacuum. Well he says...if it did have something in it, it would be really dangerous...:eek: He says I will reduce the fine to $250.00 that’s the best you will get...having spent six hours at the court house enough was enough, I paid and went back to work.


Now they have announced that they are short money because of the big dig tunnel collapse...so they are going to ticket more people on the Mass Pike extension to make up for the shortfall (1.2 million) ...that means ticket quota's...ticket quota's are illegal...or were :( Around here you not only pay the ticket, you get a surcharge on your insurance...this would add about two to three thousand dollars to your insurance bill over the surcharge period.


Yeas ago I was pulled over by a state trooper. He checked my license and came back to the car and said…we usually do not ticket for less then ten miles over the limit…you were doing sixty one (down hill) and then he hands me back my license with a ticket for doing sixty five. I look at him in disbelief and he says, say something and you are going to jail…he turns around and walks away …try telling that to a judge…:(


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#23 ·
please



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My Smith & Wesson thats for my protection, cops there for Dunken Dougnuts protection :mad:
 
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#21 ·
:D

It is getting worse; the governor has instituted a (paid) volunteer program. If you are a state wor... opp's I almost said worker...If you are employed by the state you can take off one day a month to "volunteer". So what happens, the work.. oop's there I go again...the state employees take the day off, go to their kids school and do some volunteer work...Hmmm maybe two or three hours, they get their form signed and off they go...Paid volunteers...only in Massachusetts...:(


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#25 · (Edited)
I see how you guys are. I think a well-regulated people need LESS regulation and half you guys call me a left-wing nut and all kinds of wack.

Now when the rubber meets the road and the police state rears its ugly head all of the sudden nobody can take a joke.

Welcome to the terrordome. This is your police state. Keep moving.
There is nothing to see here. Say something and you're going to jail. :D

The worst part of it is some of the people I know who are police are admittedly no different with regard to authority--they mock police themselves, and teach future generations to do the same.

So while I would stick by the original statement which you haters love to hate, that being that the police are there for our protection, let's keep it in context here people. Everybody knows traffic citations are a racket in the hands of men. It's another day that ends in "y"
Have a good day.
 
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#31 ·
Reminds me of an early fiasco of mine...

I was fresh out of high school working for Pepsi. It was around a holiday and they ran out of CO2 for the syrup delivery trucks.

They sent me 20 miles down to a refiller in Detroit with an old panel van and 20 empty 100lb tanks. This was my first time with a stick shift - I wasn't about to tell anyone.

Well they filled em up and layed them down in the van, and off I went. No safety cage, no tie downs, and now 20 ice covered missles sliding back and forth as i jerked down the road no doubt trashing that clutch.

I can laugh about it now, thirty years later that is.
 
#33 ·
It takes a special mentality to be a cop, it takes a extremely special mentality to be a Florida cop.......any attempt at a bribe and you'll end up in the clinker with the cop taking a vacation day to show up in court to fry you.
 
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#40 ·
First post and it's FLDOT. We use a GMC box van that I see without DOT #'s all the time, I didn't know the law and learned more than I wanted to because of that. Passed weigh station and was pulled over, van weighed 7K loaded but GVWR rating earned $500 ticket, no US DOT number, number not displayed, no vehicle inspection log,medical certificate for driver and that little bit of interstate commerce generated about $1500 in fines. I had to hear it myself and since he turned it into a two hour delay I had time. Not only did he educate me as to why that Savanna van was in violation but when I offered the analogy that I use my PSD dually for work, I got the same citations myself. I spoke with his chief because I've yet to see a daily driver F350 with DOT numbers, he did concede that law is out dated but it's the law. My only consolation was I was able to send in an appeal with the check, waste of time! Oh I forgot, supposed to go to some freight hauling school for truckers as well, I didn't comply and they suspended my tag and registration. They're tearing up the horse crowd now, when I tried to enroll for part of what they asked of me I was told that required a 26K pound vehicle, but I got the tix in a pickup. I asked a trucking school for advice because when DOT would speak with me, they didn't even understand, trucking instructor said he's been surprised at the number of people stopping by in this same situation recently. They admit it isn't enforced unless it appears to be a commercial vehicle but 3/4 ton truck with maybe 16x8enclosed trailer could make for a bad day. Almost, but not quite as bad as what will happen to your FL DL when you have no idea one of those toll cameras snaps a pic of one of your trailers that's registered in your name running a .50 toll on the turnpike.
 
#42 ·
......but when I offered the analogy that I use my PSD dually for work, I got the same citations myself........
Wait, not sure I understand. Are you saying that you TOLD the cop that you use your F350 all the time for work w/o a problem? Then he proceeds to cite you for that too? If so, on those tickets, what was the date and location of THOSE citations?

What i am getting at is that an officer cannot cite you for violations NOT COMMITED IN HIS/HER PRESENCE...... though they'll try (airplace radar, cameras, etc).

If that's what you're saying, take him to court.

Crednetials: Defense atty.
 
#41 ·
I'm confused here. Are you saying that in FL any and all trucks or vans used for commercial purposes are subject to FLDOT?
I've never heard of this.
In many states, if you use your truck or van for business or "work" they make you have a "truck" tag. This might be a commercial plate, but you do not have to stop at weigh stations and are not required to register with DOT and get numbers and all that goes with it.

I also need clarification on the toll you mentioned.
Are you talking about an automated booth where you throw money in the hole? The toll both workers don't even know the rules. I have driven limos, a bus, and a firetruck with more than one axle across this country and I have always been charged the exact same as a car or motorhome.
These were all privately owned vehicles, but they all look very commercial and I have never been questioned. I usually have a dealer plate on the vehicle from a different state.

Florida must have their panties in an uproar with being jerks and nailing as many as they can.

I don't care what the laws are....they need to be changed if this is the case.
No HVAC, plumbers, electricians, or any other contractors vehicles that run around all day making local service calls should ever be subject to DOT and treated the same as big rig interstate transport.

It is always about money or control in this country, and they always sell it to the general public as "in the name of safety".
What about the guy with a lawnmower in the back of his pick-up that cuts your grass? Does he have to have a DOT number too?
 
#43 ·
It is always about money or control in this country......QUOTE]
Damn..... I get the feeling you're fedup with this sh!t? Govt doing all kinds of whaco things?

I went to law school and one driving reason was so that I could tell the man where to 'stick it" when appropiate. Nothing is better that slapping an overzealious prosecuter, cop or other official accross the face.

I've successfully sued the DA once, and the police 4 times.

I guess i was absent from school the day they announced that law wnforcement also meant "department of revenue".
 
#49 ·
I've got one for you.

If a cop sees a registation violation but doesn't maek a stop at that time on the vehicle.
The cop later sees the vehicle parked on private property with no driver present.
What can the cop do?
I am sure it varies from state to state.
They should have to wait for a driver to operate that vehicle onto the roadway and make the stop and go from there.....but they don't.

Way too often the cops and city governments think they can do whatever they want. Often, there are lines they have crossed. I hate to see them get by with crossing one single line.

I like your style Balystic.
 
#50 ·
Nothing.

Any municipality is unable to enforce it's code on private property. The police are able to enforce vehicle code in a public area. There is no infraction if it occurs on provate property.

An infraction that occurs on provate property is enforcable but it is a cival mater between the property owner and the (owner of the car). As the police are an entity of criminal enforcement, they have no jurisdiction.

We're talking INFRACTION (which is a registration violation) and NOT criminal.
 
#53 ·
But the cop did see the car being driven earlier in the day. He just wasn't able to make the stop then.
What I want to know is can he show up to where the car is parked later, which is on private residential property, and do anything.
Now if any person there is dumb enough to admit to being the one driving earlier, I think they could. But if the person the cop thought was driving isn't even there, and there is no way a stop can be made....what can they do?
 
#51 ·
Tell me there aren't quotas! I got a ticket from the state patrol for doing 57 mph in a 55 zone. I couldn't believe it. I mean my speedometer was reading exactly 55 mph. But what can you do? it costs more to fight it court than to pay the fine and these guys (and gals) are well aware of that fact.
 
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#52 ·
I've had so much other garbage going on I've forgotten some of the details of that garbage but yes, GVWR of 10,001 was the ultimate factor. We were doing service work back and forth, just across state lines. I can't remember the exact difference between the Fl and Fed statutes but in the end I was able to validate what I was told. I was coming back into Fl a little while behind my guys, during the explanation as to why he could even stop us I told him I'm working and my truck, just as the other Fords that fill the roadways is in excess of 10,001. He told me anything involved with the furtherance of a commercial operation is commerce and crossing state lines is what got me the usdot citation. My truck isn't a work truck and it's in my name, not the company so I went to speak with chief. Mixed in the definition of cmv is 10,001 seperate or combined with trailer is a cmv, even if it's a private vehicle hauling horses or scrap and even within Florida. To be sure I was understanding I asked he confirm that trucks like mine or truck and trailer that eqauls 10,001 can be considered commercial. If so why isn't it enforced within the state and why isn't there grid lock at every weigh station with toy haulers, framers, or for that matter why isn't commuting to work or buying a hamburger interstate commerce. That aside, the FLDOT chief said it should be changed as it dates from a period when nobody envisioned you would ever drive the trucks we have today for anything other than commercial purpose. He said they understand this and only enforce when it's obvious you're commercial. I mentioned this on my appeal, selective enforcement and when I asked why we're not getting pulled over on Fl highways he said "for what" Well my arguement was the BS law that "technically" should require FLDOT number for a lot of us is impractical and in my case as well as my employees, I couldn't understand how lettering, and state border is the difference. He didn't ask my drivers what they were doing, I told him I was working and during the time I was there you could see many violations that's obvious when you see a truck packed with lumber and ladders on a trailer. I thought about putting the number along with some abbreviated expletives on my truck but I was required to really get the number so I'm sure that would have also cost me. I still break the law because that number wont look very good on my truck. They're stepping it up against people with the big horse trailers or anything that I guess looks like a big truck or trailer combo that meets 10,001, I spoke with a guy that said they impounded his scrap trailer well within FL borders and one time when he was coming home from a horse show, they pulled him over for passing the weigh station and turned him around due to some sort of animal certificate required for transporting across state lines that he had never heard of. Of course that would have required a vet at 2:00am so he took an alternate route. The toll was on Fl turnpike, Tevers or what ever hole it's Lake County. I know now but it took me a couple trips to realize that staying on the actual interstate is transponder pay, and what appeared to be an exit was where you pay the toll with cash. I can't imagine how many tolls there are but it seems endless and some cross the highway, some are on the side and some you pay when you exit the interstate or get back on. Trailer tag had old address so the first I heard was when the state mailed me the D6 suspending my license, I got the tix mailed and misread them to read an increase to $25, my check was returned because the increase was $180. I paid it two days before deadline but due to a "system lag" the wheels kept turning and I ended up with susp license and citation for driving while susp, 3 pnts, cancelled insur and probably another $180 in phone bills accomplishing nothing other than Lake saying they didn't do it, state says they have no record of the suspension and my county simply says at that time this is what the system must have indicated. Something happend but I have a susp lic ticket and no record of how it happened or that it ever happend. If this happens to you an agent at the state told me you can request a supplemental report from whatever county your problem is in and they can remove it. My prob occured at home with the lic tix. I have no idea what it is or what could be on it as everyone says they know nothing but the state agent said get it and fax it direct to him and he'll fix it. Of course I can't get it, they direct me back to the other parties and tell me about a guy in a similar thing that left the court house after paying everything and getting the clearance paperwork only to be pulled over right in front of the dmv 10 mins later and ticketed. Until he paid the $47.50 to reinstate from the bogus ticket he still didn't have a lic. If only code enforcement was this diligent and would apply the code we could maybe afford this and the rest of the headaches each day of work brings.
 
#55 ·
"Sorry about his luck" that's the way I saw it too. Catch the car later, or maybe the onwer gets scared and takes care of the registration problem, which is what we all want...RIGHT.
I don't think this officer did. I think this officer wanted the citation.

Here's what happened.
Officer did witness a "older gentelman with a grey beard" driving a car.
The officer did not pull the car over at this time.
Apparently the office knew, found out, or had reason to believe the registration was not correct or valid but COULD NOT make the stop due to another call.
The bearded gentleman pulled into a residential driveway of a friendly neighbor he had met before and asked the owner if he could leave his vehicle there for a couple of hours.
The owner gave him permission.
The officer comes to the residence about 1 hour later to inquire about the vehicle.

Officer: "Where is the gentelmean with the grey beard that was driving that car?"
Resident: "Home, I guess."
Officer: "This isn't home? Where is?"
Resident: "Up the steet."
Officer: "You mean he WALKED?"
Resident: "Yes"

Officer then decides the "way it is going to be" to tow the car since the tag on it is not for that vehicle.
Resident: "For the record, I do not give you permission to tow from this property."
Officer: " I'm not asking. That's how it's going to happen today."

I will let the hijacked thread go now....any final words on the situation?
I sure you would have had a heyday with them, but this I think this guy is a poor old guy that will get whatever rights he should have trampled into the ground.
Now he has no car, and I believe a ticket waiting for him too.

What a fine job that officer is doing. If would maek me feel all warm as fuzzy during a good nights sleep. NOT!!!!
 
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