[jaz99]

Hi folks, firs of all this will be my first post... ever. I have been a member here for quite a while and have found this site to be of great source of information, so thank you to all of you. recently my retired Mother and her friends have been approached to attend a "Dinner meeting", "act now before the price goes up" hosted at one of their homes to get a "discount" on the price of a "new", "developed by NASA!!!!" refrigerant enhancer by the name of Bluemaxx and they demonstrated it's effects by measuring the air temp coming out of a register in the house and showing that it "miraculously dropped" here is a link to the youtube video of the product
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6RdgAxI3XU
I suppose by the tone of my post you can imagine my impression of the product, however I would like to get some opinions of others in the trade, specifically to show to my Mother and her friends what real professionals in the trade (besides myself) think. just to remove any shadow of doubt I called "snake oil" on the whole thing.... to the salesman's face :eek2: and told him that until I saw independent testing under controlled laboratory conditions or at least something from the equipment manufacturer that it at least won't void the warranty, that I would consider it a "contaminant".... he left :grin2: I don't want to list the things I said were wrong with the pitch because I suspect they will all be listed in the responses and would like to show that my concerns are shared by most in the industry.
so what do you all think?

 

[ControlsInMT]

Sounds like preying on the elderly scam! Turn them in!

 

[pecmsg]

Sounds like preying on the elderly scam! Turn them in!

Run Forrest Run

Call the local authorities and ask them to attend.

 

[IRBH]

Hi folks, firs of all this will be my first post... ever. I have been a member here for quite a while and have found this site to be of great source of information, so thank you to all of you. recently my retired Mother and her friends have been approached to attend a "Dinner meeting", "act now before the price goes up" hosted at one of their homes to get a "discount" on the price of a "new", "developed by NASA...

On the Challenger launch, no doubt...

"Our additive will not damage them "O" rings!"

 

[jaz99]

he did say that they "acquired the patent" from NASA 10 years ago..... rut-ro

 

[Danielandersen2]

Why did he need his "schrader" service wrench?

I don't see where they referenced the return temp to verify a real temp drop due to the oil and not just run time...
Sent from my van

 

[jaz99]

well that's one of my question/problems.... he had no answer other than "but LOOK it's colder" sadly I had to refrain from smacking him.

Why did he need his "schrader" service wrench?

I don't see where they referenced the return temp to verify a real temp drop due to the oil and not just run time...
Sent from my van

 

[Nuclrchiller]

I don't see where they referenced the return temp to verify a real temp drop due to the oil and not just run time...

This.

Maybe they didn't want to expose their scam.

Also, an infrared (IR) thermometer is the least reliable thermometer there is. Other than a broken thermometer. It is easily manipulated to vary the reading.

 

[Danielandersen2]

I did notice the first temp he took was of some drywall...


Sent from my van

 

[Gunslinger]

Not a very scientific test by any means.

 

[jaz99]

Not a very scientific test by any means.

Gunslinger just an FYI I saw your from Citrus County Florida, so am I and that is where this happened Crystal River/Dunellon area to be exact

 

[jmac00]

IT'S A FREAKING GREASE GUN

wtf, they seem to be selling this stuff to home owners. Hoping they will ask us to install it for them.

good luck with that

 

[Gunslinger]

IT'S A FREAKING GREASE GUN

wtf, they seem to be selling this stuff to home owners. Hoping they will ask us to install it for them.

good luck with that

Not a grease gun. It looks like a suction gun like they use for auto motive uses as in placing manual transmission oil in transmissions and for filling rear ends.

 

[jaz99]

Not a grease gun. It looks like a suction gun like they use for auto motive uses as in placing manual transmission oil in transmissions and for filling rear ends.

my concern with the tool was more as to what it is not, that being any one of the tools on the market designed to put oil/additive/acid neutralizer etc that are on the market and well known to techs, and have real methods of measurement..... not that the "calibrated quart bottle" isn't accurate....

 

[itsiceman]

http://ash.org/aglist.html

 

[jaz99]

I think that I have not given enough information, so here is what I told them my problem was; first let's assume that the product does exactly what they claim, that it cleans all the contaminants from the tubing walls and reduces the oil adhesion to the tube walls thereby increasing heat transfer and lowering the air temp, without altering the refrigerant or the oil.... ok, 1 if you lower the supply air temp then you would have had to increase the delta temp of the evaporator, putting it too close to freezing at times during normal operation and you would have also lowered superheat putting the compressor at risk, also without putting in a suction filter anything you "clean" off the walls of the tubing is going straight to the compressor, and if you have lowered the superheat then any skilled tech is going to see that and correct it which would bring the delta temp back down and bring the discharge temp back where it was anyway so all that was accomplished was cleaning anything off the inside of the tubing and sending it into the compressor, not to mention if you shorten run times then the unit won't remove humidity as it should, which is a big deal here in Florida, if it reduces oil film adhesion from the tubing won't it reduce oil adhesion to the bearings as well?
am I wrong? what did I miss?

 

[jtrammel]

There's been a thread going on on the pro side of the forum about a similar product. The consensus from the pros is snake oil even after many attempts by the people peddling it to persuade us otherwise.

 

[kamersoutdoor]

Un freaking believable
I really like how they dodge the technical questions in the comments lol

 

[jaz99]

I pointed out to the schmuck that I'd heard this same crap many times in my career, all he could respond with was "ours is different, it was developed by NASA".... which of course changed everything

There's been a thread going on on the pro side of the forum about a similar product. The consensus from the pros is snake oil even after many attempts by the people peddling it to persuade us otherwise.

 

[jaz99]

maybe that's why he gave up when my face turned red and I told him "unless you've got something in that bottle that changes the laws of physics, then I don't believe it's possible to do what your saying"

Un freaking believable
I really like how they dodge the technical questions in the comments lol