[pecmsg]

Keep on moving the goal posts my friend. Going from they may not save lives to you are not happy to people may suffer etc... I agree that people may suffer from low levels but as I said they are designed to save lives.

As far as those three CO detectors they are not sold and people are getting their money back. More importantly I am wondering if they were UL approved.

I have seem dozens of NCI low level CO detectors that were faulty and had to be returned. People were more likely to die from them for their false alarms than from a standard CO detector imo.

As I said they are designed to save lives and that is what they do.

Now whos moving the goal posts?

How can you be more likely to die from a false alarm?

 

[pageyjim]

I do have my combustion analyzer calibrated. I also wear a Sensorcon personal CO sensor. I don't know of ANY home CO detectors that can be calibrated. To which of these are you referring?

I'll take that bet. I do not and will not sell a CO detector with UL approval. I offer the NSI 3000 low level monitor. I test furnaces, water heaters, and ovens. Basically any fossil fuel appliance.

The public thinks they are safe with a big box CO detector. They are not protected and the oft repeated advice in news reports to "test your CO alarm" only perpetuates this myth.

I said calibrate and added "test" for that reason as you seem to forget.

Do you test the NCI detectors? As I said I have seen dozens of problems with theirs and had to be returned.

 

[pageyjim]

Now whos moving the goal posts?

How can you be more likely to die from a false alarm?

From pulling out the batteries from so many false alarms or ignoring it.

People by the dozens were pulling out their batteries from their low level NCI detectors.

How did I move a goal post. I showed how you did my projecting friend.

 

[pecmsg]

I said calibrate and added "test" for that reason as you seem to forget.

Do you test the NCI detectors? As I said I have seen dozens of problems with theirs and had to be returned.

Actually I do have the spray. And anything is not 100% prefect. PLEASE!

 

[kdean1]

Hey genius many do not have them and many forget to change the batteries. I did not say what you imply.

I used a direct quote from your post. You said exactly that. Perhaps you meant to say that many do not have them and those who have them forget to change batteries.

Jim, if you have not taken the NCI Combustion Analysis & CO class I strongly recommend you do. There is a wealth of information in it based on actual testing and experience. There is a lot to be learned on this topic.

 

[R600a]

From pulling out the batteries from so many false alarms or ignoring it.

People by the dozens were pulling out their batteries from their low level NCI detectors.

Sounds like poorly educated customers. there are a few things that will falsely trigger a CO detector I know some of those are ducks back wood stain and powerful alcohol vapors but if a person knows that then it's easy to tell when you're getting a false alarm and you shouldn't be exposing your detectors to those kind of chemicals anyway.

Sent from the Okie state usin Tapatalk

 

[pageyjim]

Actually I do have the spray. And anything is not 100% prefect. PLEASE!

I asked you if you test the NCI detectors you sell and you refuse to answer.

Now when the NCI detectors fail you say nothing is perfect lol.

 

[pageyjim]

Sounds like poorly educated customers. there are a few things that will falsely trigger a CO detector I know some of those are ducks back wood stain and powerful alcohol vapors but if a person knows that then it's easy to tell when you're getting a false alarm and you shouldn't be exposing your detectors too those kind of chemicals anyway.

Sent from the Okie state usin Tapatalk

How about they go off when someone is smoking? How about when they went off when no CO was present as read from a calibrated CA?

 

[pageyjim]

I used a direct quote from your post. You said exactly that. Perhaps you meant to say that many do not have them and those who have them forget to change batteries.

Jim, if you have not taken the NCI Combustion Analysis & CO class I strongly recommend you do. There is a wealth of information in it based on actual testing and experience. There is a lot to be learned on this topic.

I added test to a later post.

I have taken the NCI class 3 times and it is a great class. I am quoting an instructor when I say that the OTC CO detectors are designed to save lives actually.

 

[pecmsg]

How about they go off when someone is smoking? How about when they went off when no CO was present as read from a calibrated CA?

Show Me 1 that's Perfect!

GOD

You went from Show Me where someone died because they didnt alarm too they died from a false alarm!

 

[R600a]

How about they go off when someone is smoking? How about when they went off when no CO was present as read from a calibrated CA?

I would trust the analyzer. Smoking does make a lot of co.
I prefer a sensorcon. I have mine hanging by the door when I am home as a reality check for my cheap ul alarms.
That is disappointing that you have found that many failures.

Sent from the Okie state usin Tapatalk

 

[pecmsg]

I asked you if you test the NCI detectors you sell and you refuse to answer.

Now when the NCI detectors fail you say nothing is perfect lol.

I dont sell them. I advise my customers to get at least 1 Low Level. I prefer the Defender.

 

[pecmsg]

I added test to a later post.

I have taken the NCI class 3 times and it is a great class. I am quoting an instructor when I say that the OTC CO detectors are designed to save lives actually.

Yes they are compared to what was there before............N O T H I N G ! ! !

 

[pageyjim]

I would trust the analyzer. Smoking does make a lot of co.
I prefer a sensorcon. I have mine hanging by the door when I am home as a reality check for my cheap ul alarms.
That is disappointing that you have found that many failures.

Sent from the Okie state usin Tapatalk

They were the older versions when I was actively selling them. They supposedly did make some changes and I don't know how they faired because we stopped selling as many or any later.

They are like thermostats imo. You don't want to be selling a complicated programmable thermostat to some older people for example. They can be more trouble than what they are worth. I wouldn't sell one to a smoker and only to people that could really understand their operation properly. I used to have to go out to numerous CO calls on Thanksgiving because of those damn things.

 

[pageyjim]

Yes they are compared to what was there before............N O T H I N G ! ! !

Sorry I don't understand the post.

 

[pageyjim]

Show Me 1 that's Perfect!

GOD

You went from Show Me where someone died because they didnt alarm too they died from a false alarm!

You still haven't backed up your post and you have just backed away from it.

I never said they died from a false alarm. I said more likely.

 

[R600a]

They were the older versions when I was actively selling them. They supposedly did make some changes and I don't know how they faired because we stopped selling as many or any later.

They are like thermostats imo. You don't want to be selling a complicated programmable thermostat to some older people for example. They can be more trouble than what they are worth. I wouldn't sell one to a smoker and only to people that could really understand their operation properly. I used to have to go out to numerous CO calls on Thanksgiving because of those damn things.

That makes sense to me. I have a customer who we sold a pair of T10 thermostats and talk about a pain in the neck. Now they can see the temperature and humidity in different parts of the house and I am usually out there several times a year. I will be heading there this morning after I thaw out my Tahoe.

Sent from the Okie state usin Tapatalk

 

[pecmsg]

I'll correct myself
Its not 15 PPM per OSHA it's 50 PPM over 8 hrs

35PPM Fire Department personel required to wear SCBA

 

[kdean1]

I added test to a later post.

I have taken the NCI class 3 times and it is a great class. I am quoting an instructor when I say that the OTC CO detectors are designed to save lives actually.

I made my initial post about the cut and paste terminology by reporters for testing CO detectors. It irks me that it perpetuates a misconception. I don't want to prolong our disagreement so I'm taking myself out of the discussion.

 

[pecmsg]

You still haven't backed up your post and you have just backed away from it.

I never said they died from a false alarm. I said more likely.

OK
People were more likely to die from them for their false alarms

Still not understanding that statement but lets agree to disagree