[AdrianOmarPerez]

1 Tech from cimco

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2 facility untrained persons

none were wearing their Respirator

That still sucks tho. There was 3 Trane guys who got stuck in a fault and died from refrigerant inhalation. It was overseas somewhere.


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[pageyjim]

The same journalists that recommend testing your CO alarms. Where do people get the CO for testing?

When reporters remind people to test them they are saying to put it into test mode not to calibrate them as you are really suggesting.

 

[kdean1]

When reporters remind people to test them they are saying to put it into test mode not to calibrate them as you are really suggesting.

The test button involves the battery and the horn. The sensor is not tested. How does that ensure safety?

 

[R600a]

The test button involves the battery and the horn. The sensor is not tested. How does that ensure safety?

The reporters could tell them to throw the detector away without making them any less safe.

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[pageyjim]

The test button involves the battery and the horn. The sensor is not tested. How does that ensure safety?

Calibrating them which is what you are really referring to does not "ensure safety." Reporters reminding people to test their smoke and CO detectors is a good thing and they should continue doing it without people who should know better belittling them for doing so. Do you calibrate your CO detector? The sensors have a predetermined life as tested by UL.

 

[kdean1]

Calibrating them which is what you are really referring to does not "ensure safety." Reporters reminding people to test their smoke and CO detectors is a good thing and they should continue doing it without people who should know better belittling them for doing so. Do you calibrate your CO detector? The sensors have a predetermined life as tested by UL.

Smoke alarms are tested with smoke to prove they work.
A CO alarm should respond to CO to prove it works. Pushing a test button does not proveit will respond to CO.

Leading people to believe that a CO alarm will protect them when the horn works is doing them a disservice.

 

[pageyjim]

Smoke alarms are tested with smoke to prove they work.
A CO alarm should respond to CO to prove it works. Pushing a test button does not proveit will respond to CO.

Leading people to believe that a CO alarm will protect them when the horn works is doing them a disservice.

I asked you if you calibrate your CO detector or let's say test it with CO. You quote my post and don't answer?

I bet you sell CO detectors and or go on and on about them to your customers as you do here. Do you test them with CO? If you do sell them do you include a can of CO spray, if not why not? If you don't do that do you test it for them twice yearly?
It is surprising how many people do not have CO detectors in their home and forget to change the batteries. It is a good public service to remind people of that and I feel sure many lives are saved because of this.

The common CO detector is designed to save lives and they do just that.

 

[pecmsg]

I asked you if you calibrate your CO detector or let's say test it with CO. You quote my post and don't answer?

I bet you sell CO detectors and or go on and on about them to your customers as you do here. Do you test them with CO? If you do sell them do you include a can of CO spray, if not why not? If you don't do that do you test it for them twice yearly?
It is surprising how many people do not have CO detectors in their home and forget to change the batteries. It is a good public service to remind people of that and I feel sure many lives are saved because of this.

The common CO detector is designed to save lives and they do just that.

A common UL Listed CO detector may or may not save lives. A Low Level CO detector Will save lives!

 

[pageyjim]

A common UL Listed CO detector may or may not save lives. A Low Level CO detector Will save lives!

My highlighted sentence is correct. They are designed to save lives.

The average CO detector does save lives. Do you have examples where people died when a CO detector was working within guidelines as you seem to suggest?

Since that was all you addressed does that mean you agree with the rest of the post?

 

[pecmsg]

I agree they “should” be tested with an approved CO Spray.

As far as proof I’m not happy when OSHA tells us 15 PPM for 8 hrs max yet a UL Listed will not alarm for 60 - 180 mins after the alarm reaches and maintains 70 PPM.

 

[pageyjim]

Smoke alarms are tested with smoke to prove they work.
A CO alarm should respond to CO to prove it works. Pushing a test button does not proveit will respond to CO.

Leading people to believe that a CO alarm will protect them when the horn works is doing them a disservice.

Sorry I am posting to the wrong post.

 

[pageyjim]

I agree they “should” be tested with an approved CO Spray.

As far as proof I’m not happy when OSHA tells us 15 PPM for 8 hrs max yet a UL Listed will not alarm for 60 - 180 mins after the alarm reaches and maintains 70 PPM.

So you go from they may not save lives to you are not happy. I am satisfied with that retraction.

 

[VTP99]

I agree they “should” be tested with an approved CO Spray.

As far as proof I’m not happy when OSHA tells us 15 PPM for 8 hrs max yet a UL Listed will not alarm for 60 - 180 mins after the alarm reaches and maintains 70 PPM.

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[pecmsg]

So you go from they may not save lives to you are not happy. I am satisfied with that retraction.

I said im not happy with OSHA saying one thing and the public being put in harms way. I'm sure there's plenty of instances where people suffered or even died because of the ridiculously high and long wait on UL detectors. Unfortunately the requirements are met and better then nothing, but not by much!

See post #33

thanks Vinnie :cheers:

 

[kdean1]

I asked you if you calibrate your CO detector or let's say test it with CO. You quote my post and don't answer?

I bet you sell CO detectors and or go on and on about them to your customers as you do here. Do you test them with CO? If you do sell them do you include a can of CO spray, if not why not? If you don't do that do you test it for them twice yearly?
It is surprising how many people do not have CO detectors in their home and forget to change the batteries. It is a good public service to remind people of that and I feel sure many lives are saved because of this.

The common CO detector is designed to save lives and they do just that.

I do have my combustion analyzer calibrated. I also wear a Sensorcon personal CO sensor. I don't know of ANY home CO detectors that can be calibrated. To which of these are you referring?

I'll take that bet. I do not and will not sell a CO detector with UL approval. I offer the NSI 3000 low level monitor. I test furnaces, water heaters, and ovens. Basically any fossil fuel appliance.

The public thinks they are safe with a big box CO detector. They are not protected and the oft repeated advice in news reports to "test your CO alarm" only perpetuates this myth.

 

[kdean1]

It is surprising how many people do not have CO detectors in their home and forget to change the batteries.

Change batteries in a detector they don't have? How is that even possible?

 

[pageyjim]

I said im not happy with OSHA saying one thing and the public being put in harms way. I'm sure there's plenty of instances where people suffered or even died because of the ridiculously high and long wait on UL detectors. Unfortunately the requirements are met and better then nothing, but not by much!

See post #33

thanks Vinnie :cheers:

Keep on moving the goal posts my friend. Going from they may not save lives to you are not happy to people may suffer etc... I agree that people may suffer from low levels but as I said they are designed to save lives.

As far as those three CO detectors they are not sold and people are getting their money back. More importantly I am wondering if they were UL approved.

I have seem dozens of NCI low level CO detectors that were faulty and had to be returned. People were more likely to die from them for their false alarms than from a standard CO detector imo.

As I said they are designed to save lives and that is what they do.

 

[kdean1]

My highlighted sentence is correct. They are designed to save lives.

The average CO detector does save lives. Do you have examples where people died when a CO detector was working within guidelines as you seem to suggest?

Since that was all you addressed does that mean you agree with the rest of the post?

A laboratory study at Ohio University showed that 25% of the detectors failed to respond (all with UL approval). Of the remainder, 25-30% responded too early or too late. That's an abysmal average.

 

[pageyjim]

Change batteries in a detector they don't have? How is that even possible?

Hey genius many do not have them and many forget to change the batteries. I did not say what you imply.

 

[pageyjim]

A laboratory study at Ohio University showed that 25% of the detectors failed to respond. Of the remainder, 25-30% responded too early or too late. It's a roll of the dice.

That doesn't answer my question or address your earlier post.