[Todd Whaley]

I was referring to appion core removal. my bad

 

[dannyp19]

Channel locks work good. If somebody wants to huff, a silly locking cap isnt going to deter them.

The authors of code books had a buddy that needed a boost in his business selling locking caps put that code in. Along with a few more codes I can think of, energy codes for instance.

 

[ga-hvac-tech]

Channel locks work good. If somebody wants to huff, a silly locking cap isnt going to deter them.

The authors of code books had a buddy that needed a boost in his business selling locking caps put that code in. Along with a few more codes I can think of, energy codes for instance.

IMO it is crooked politics at its textbook best... The folks who wanted to manufacturer the locking caps literally bought (as in campaign donations) the polecats... and whallah... we have a law. Then the polecats do what they do best... manufacturer a reason (this time how we are supposed to feel sorry for the poor teens who huff it)... and sell us on how we are not humane if we do not support the idea.

When we learn to quit listening to, paying attention to, and believing polecats... we will stop this costly insanity.

 

[second opinion]

Channel locks work good. If somebody wants to huff, a silly locking cap isnt going to deter them.

The authors of code books had a buddy that needed a boost in his business selling locking caps put that code in. Along with a few more codes I can think of, energy codes for instance.

Do you have any idea whom the authors of code books are?

I will enlighten you, it is the public,any person can present a code proposal that is voted on by individuals such as yourself.

 

[Todd Whaley]

Just use Loktight. Its seems to work for some people.. LOL

 

[JKopp]

Would someone care to post the exact section and wording of the locking cap code? I would like to study what is really says. Thanks in advance.

 

[jrbenny]

Would someone care to post the exact section and wording of the locking cap code? I would like to study what is really says. Thanks in advance.

http://codes.ohio.gov/oac/4101:2-11

 

[Submaster]

It's code here in most cities of the DFW metroplex. Unless valves are not exposed, like on most of our Trane units that have the little panel held on with two 5/16" screws. I prefer the caps that use the Schrader core tool, because my other tool is on my keychain and arggg!. Although they put that tool on the end of a screwdriver handle but not all units give you the room to use it. It's a good code I've had customers that actually had their refrigerant stolen, caps left on the ground and all. No LEAK......STOLEN!

 

[dadsair]

I think that's pretty extreme. If the manufacturer doesn't supply them with the unit and code passes it without them, I don't think the installer or service tech has much to worry about.


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If you spill hot coffee on yourself and can sue for millions, what makes you think that if a kid dies huffing from one of your installs that the legal system won't destroy you of it can and could ruin you just by trying.


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[dadsair]

It's code here in most cities of the DFW metroplex. Unless valves are not exposed, like on most of our Trane units that have the little panel held on with two 5/16" screws. I prefer the caps that use the Schrader core tool, because my other tool is on my keychain and arggg!. Although they put that tool on the end of a screwdriver handle but not all units give you the room to use it. It's a good code I've had customers that actually had their refrigerant stolen, caps left on the ground and all. No LEAK......STOLEN!

The problem with the ones that use a screwdriver or Schrader tool is that anyone including kids can open it. That could then open you up for liability since the manufacture of that product will not even say it complies with the code. So they are covering themselves so why should you take all of the liability.


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[JKopp]

The problem with the ones that use a screwdriver or Schrader tool is that anyone including kids can open it. That could then open you up for liability since the manufacture of that product will not even say it complies with the code. So they are covering themselves so why should you take all of the liability.

The other type has the tool for sale on amazon.com to anyone who wants it, and this is less liability? And a cover over the valves with two hex screws is that considered legal? Are the valves still considered "outside"? Not sure any of this would lower ones liability when the lawyers sink their teeth into a death or brain injury case.

 

[shaygetz]

The huffers around here have already figured out how to break them off with pliers...

 

[ga-hvac-tech]

IMO the point is not the tech issues... the point is to play the legal game.

Sell the customer the caps.
Document on your service ticket the caps were installed.
When the lawyers come along drooling over your boat or airplane... show them the ticket and tell them to pound sand.

 

[blitz]

what on earth is locking valve caps?

 

[dadsair]

IMO the point is not the tech issues... the point is to play the legal game.

Exactly!!!!!

 

[ga-hvac-tech]

what on earth is locking valve caps?

http://noventcaps.com/

You can get them at your local supply house.

 

[yaytech]

if someone wants to huff they will find a way...these things will not stop them...

 

[M&P2013]

Never used any, but have had ppl letting it out or huffing, so i recharge it, put brass cap on all and goop all of them. Can remove with vise grips when needed. And u can tell if the goop has been tampered with

 

[ga-hvac-tech]

if someone wants to huff they will find a way...these things will not stop them...

Sure they will... this is just common sense (which is no longer common).

Just like guns do not kill people (people kill people), and pencils do not mis-spell words (folks writing do).

The problem comes when little (teenage) Johnny or Debbie huffs freon and ends up brain dead yet physically alive. Mommy cannot handle it... and a cheesy atty sees a payday. In this scenario what is right and wrong makes NO difference...

Playing the legal game is what will protect your bacon (your home, vehicles, retirement, etc).

 

[clifpaul]

Sure they will... this is just common sense (which is no longer common).

Just like guns do not kill people (people kill people), and pencils do not mis-spell words (folks writing do).

The problem comes when little (teenage) Johnny or Debbie huffs freon and ends up brain dead yet physically alive. Mommy cannot handle it... and a cheesy atty sees a payday. In this scenario what is right and wrong makes NO difference...

Playing the legal game is what will protect your bacon (your home, vehicles, retirement, etc).

Agreed. All it takes is one dumb kid and a lawyer to to ruin your day.