[manny238]

Installed 3 WCH240 RTUs today and found one of the units with a circuit completely flat at start up. Found the HUGE leak on a braze connection on the liquid line. Im not sure how this thing even held a vacume. Its becoming pretty common now to find a brand new Trane with a leak. We had the unit shipped to florida to have the Evaporator coated . The Unit was put back together pretty sh!ty. I guess im just venting becuz it was 130 on the roof today and its no fun when you gotta haul all your crap to fix a brand new unit.
The picture is kinda blurry but you can see the weak braze at about 7o'clock on the T fitting

 

[Keith73]

I think I see it. Dang the rest of the picture is crystal clear!

Quality control is not in control!

 

[MM#7]

Installed 3 WCH240 RTUs today and found one of the units with a circuit completely flat at start up. Found the HUGE leak on a braze connection on the liquid line. Im not sure how this thing even held a vacume. Its becoming pretty common now to find a brand new Trane with a leak. We had the unit shipped to florida to have the Evaporator coated . The Unit was put back together pretty sh!ty. I guess im just venting becuz it was 130 on the roof today and its no fun when you gotta haul all your crap to fix a brand new unit.
The picture is kinda blurry but you can see the weak braze at about 7o'clock on the T fitting

that's a good way to turn a money making job into a money loser, through no fault of your own!

 

[retube]

Quantity

It is not just isolated to Trane.

 

[craig1]

Im not sure how this thing even held a vacume.

maybe there was flux in the joint or something?

Once I got a call for a system I installed 2 years before not cooling. System was flat. Added some refrigerant and I could watch the pressure drop. Found a massive hole in a braze joint in the evap. This system held a vacuum fine, ran fine for 2 years and then suddenly has a braze joint thats so bad that it would probably loose the entire charge in under an hour? Weird.

 

[trouble time]

vibration may have caused a bad joint to leak.

 

[MM#7]

what's happening with quality of trane units? easy, cutting quality so they can keep costs down, and compete with GOODMAN PRODUCTS!

 

[meoberry]

We have a Train plant here. I applied for a job when it first opened. They wanted me to go to work for about a buck above minimum wage. I told them good luck with that and walked out. I think they have a recruiter at the local vo-tech and hire out of there. Last time I was in the plant. I only saw about 3 or 4 people on the plant floor that had to shave. They have the same mentality of most of the plants down here. If you don't like the job there is 10 other people waiting for it. Mention a union and they will fire the whole work force.:eek2:

 

[MM#7]

We have a Train plant here. I applied for a job when it first opened. They wanted me to go to work for about a buck above minimum wage. I told them good luck with that and walked out. I think they have a recruiter at the local vo-tech and hire out of there. Last time I was in the plant. I only saw about 3 or 4 people on the plant floor that had to shave. They have the same mentality of most of the plants down here. If you don't like the job there is 10 other people waiting for it. Mention a union and they will fire the whole work force.:eek2:

me personally, i used to eat/drink/sleep / trane, now i think that unit is so over priced, the only way i'd put one in is if they gave it to me!

 

[hvac wiz 79]

id be pissed off something serious if a brand new unit was flat. id be looking for some serious money back for having to repair it

 

[beenthere]

Here, on a commercial job. You can get Trane to come out and fix that for free.

 

[meoberry]

Here, on a commercial job. You can get Trane to come out and fix that for free.

YEP! They came out and replaced a condensor coil on a 15 ton unit a couple of years ago. Did not even have to use leak detector to find leak, Just followed my ear. Tube in coil was cracked. They replaced coil and I was back out a week later for a rattle. Replaced about a half a dozen screws they left out.

 

[bover]

I agree with the pricing and quality unfortunately. I do A.S., basically the same, and got a quote recently for a green colored system, (the systems with the RCQB coils in the past) same warranties, SEER ratings, it was almost half the price.

 

[manny238]

Here, on a commercial job. You can get Trane to come out and fix that for free.

Im better off fixing it myself

 

[freonr22]

On a new unit 10 tons or over I call them out... Only had to do a couple times

 

[dunkman]

I've fixed a few new units that were leakers, commercial and resi. I think we get paid to do it.

 

[meoberry]

I've fixed a few new units that were leakers, commercial and resi. I think we get paid to do it.

True. But what about the customer watching you repair a brand new unit out of the box. Doesn't look good. I actually had a customer refuse unit wanting another or I would have to take them to court to collect. Their words not mine.:gah:

 

[ldjordan]

trane is garbage just built a new house put in two goodmans could have bought trane cheeper with my employe discount who knows trane may not have had any thing in stock thay never have what i need or the parts i need

 

[ZeroCool]

Very sad to see that more and more on their product. Its not just the RTU, I have seen a ton of what we use to call ship product defect on chillers, controls, split systems etc. It may be all in my mind but their recent switch in ownership seems to have made things like this more and more common. I also agree on not letting their service come out and do the repair. If your customer already doesn't hate them with a passion they usually will after they get done, or you will have a salesman "mysteriously" show up a day later trying to put the sleazy sales pitch on your customer.

 

[meoberry]

Had one today. Unit is 8 years old. Fourty ton rtu. First stage bone dry. I can see where the end loops rubbed together on the condensor. Not to mention someone installed within 100 yards of salt water with an uncoated coil. Bottom two rows of tubes has no fins. Seems like the salesman would have insisted on coated coils. The other three rtus had the coils coated.