Heard a rumor that Siemens Staefa platform may be dropping Tridium and moving to a workstation platform...anyone know anything about this?
Staefa leaving Tridium?
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Siemens is not open and has been escalating Steafa pricing. The writing has been on the wall for years.
I think this was always going to happen eventually for a number of reasons
1. Tridium's constant version updates. I am sure some manufacturers have more but a lot have much less. Since last year it has gone from 3.5 through 3.6s, 3.7s and now on 3.8. In the same time Delta has upgraded their 3.40 software and Trend has basically gone from SET 6.8 to 6.95 and released 1 new IQ3 firmware.
fitting Tridium is like getting a new smart phone. As soon as you have it, its outdated and the next version is available.
All this means the OEMs that use the product are forced to update 'their' systems when otherwise if they used their own stuff that may not happen as often.
2. On a similar theme the up coming change to N4. As above.
3. How long was it going to last with every body in the game buying their stuff from Honeywell?
Long standing rivals like Johnsons and TAC and Siemens all buying off of Honeywell and re badging.
1. Tridium's constant version updates. I am sure some manufacturers have more but a lot have much less. Since last year it has gone from 3.5 through 3.6s, 3.7s and now on 3.8. In the same time Delta has upgraded their 3.40 software and Trend has basically gone from SET 6.8 to 6.95 and released 1 new IQ3 firmware.
fitting Tridium is like getting a new smart phone. As soon as you have it, its outdated and the next version is available.
All this means the OEMs that use the product are forced to update 'their' systems when otherwise if they used their own stuff that may not happen as often.
2. On a similar theme the up coming change to N4. As above.
3. How long was it going to last with every body in the game buying their stuff from Honeywell?
Long standing rivals like Johnsons and TAC and Siemens all buying off of Honeywell and re badging.
Understood, It just seems like other platforms would come out with a product like the Niagara platform, but more fitted to their specific system. Trend is more along the pattern of the Workstation/Server software platform, isn't it? JCI metasys seems closer to the tritium platform, in that it utilizes a built in web platform with standalone graphics and configuration tools. Trane Tracer SC is also, though to a lesser extent, following this model.
These have the advantage of not being dependent on the workstation OS and the OS components of the platform (seen many a case where a windows update, IE update, or other wreck the BMS software).
These have the advantage of not being dependent on the workstation OS and the OS components of the platform (seen many a case where a windows update, IE update, or other wreck the BMS software).
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Yea I really hate a product that is constantly improving and adding new features...
WTF
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LMAO!
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TALON*, Siemens obviously doesn't want to keep giving money to Honeywell... however I believe they are a ways away from doing so.
For the BACnet side of the Talon line it is just the same as what Siemens itself sells. PXC16,24,36s and PXCMs with TX/IO modules. From talking to a trainer earlier this week Talon View is basically just a dumbed down version of Insight. From what I can tell and some of the jobs I am involved with Talon AX controllers can still be ordered but the older LON stuff is being phased out and the preferred product is the Siemens product line.
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As a Siemens dealer, everything Siemens BACnet is a dumb downed version of their branch equipment. TALON View Workstation to me is just nothing more than another re branded Niagara product.
The fact manufacturers are moving away from Tridium is not surprising. Remember, Tridium made its bones by making a standard way to allow different control systems to talk to each other. Now that this is taken care of by Bacnet & Lon what is it that allows different manufacturers to differentiate themselves from each other, the front end. To allow another company to control their front end is courting potential disaster, at least in their CEO's opinion. I figure that front ends will multiply until competition thins the herd. I look forward to the coming discussions of which front end is the best.
Anything that is not specifically spec'd as Tridium will end up some propietary head end and we are going to be back in the same mess we were before. The customers are going to be told they have an 'open' system because of the controllers but they may be stuck with installer A, becasue service tech B can't get into it.
I have to agree with this. The systems are all talking Bacnet or Lon, but anytime that you are forced to go to a supplier, it has to be considered proprietary. This is why the school district I work for is moving to the Niagara product.
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How exactly is Niagara NOT proprietary? Ain't Niagara Tridium? How's that open?
Niagara is proprietary however if you have a Tridium system you can add to it with any other brand AX simply so you are not locked to one system manufacturers equipment. Forget the fact every jace is a re-badged tridium unit. If you have a JCI metasys system but you want to change to say Trend IQ you would simply add a JCI jace to the metasys, fit a Trend TONN, then install your new Trend IQ system, connect to the TONN, connect the 2 jaces together and use an AX front end. This could even be Honeywell branded. You could then even start to fit Honeywell spyders. Your BMS is now an open system.
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