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lostndebox

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I got a service call to a store with a Trane Voyager series rooftop package unit. The call was for a very loud squeeling noise coming from the unit. I was called out last year for this same problem and after some troubleshooting and some calls to some other service techs, decided that the valves for the number 2 circuit compressor were shot. Unfortunately, I was not the one sent out to replace the compressor. However, the noise stopped after the new compressor was installed. That was last year around june.
Well, I got called out again for noise comming from the same unit. I get on site, make a wild guess that it is the circuit two compressor again, and bam! I've located the noise. Sure enough, it's the circuit two compressor. Crap. I know it is the compressor because I shut everything else off to locate the noise - the cond. fan, the blower fan, the circuit one compressor. The noise starts just as the compressor pressures get up towards 125 discharge. Then it keeps getting louder and louder until you can hear it in the parking lot.
Now, while I'm looking at the compressor, I look back and see that the liquid line filter does not appear to be new. In fact, it still has the trane paint on it and I can't think of one of our techs that has that paint on their truck. I was trying to look at the label to see if it was new or not so I had to stick my head in over the compressors but under the control box. Hidden up behind that is a suction line filter on circuit two. (brazed in, not replaceable core type) and for some reason, it looks brand spankin new.
After a little research, I find out that back in 2004, we had replaced the compressor due to a burnout, and no one had ever followed up with acid tests or removed the suction filter.
I also find out that the tech that replaced this compressor last year for some reason changed the suction filter, but not the liquid line filter.
I know I should've found that suction line filter last year, and that's on me. However, that bastard was hidden pretty damn well. My question is whether or not that suction filter could've been the problem all along. The pressures don't really reflect it, and I haven't been able to find my notes from last year, but here is what I've got this year.
Trane model # YCD150C4HBB , serial # R25104819D, 460 volts, 3 phase.
With both stages running, blower on, and condenser fan running, here are details.
Circ 1, comp amps 6.7, 7.9, 7.6 (10.6 max), press 65/225, ret air 72, sup air 56, superheat at compressor 21 degrees, no subcooling possible
circ 2, comp amps 7.3, 8.2, 7.4 (10.6 max), press 67/240, ret air 72, sup air 46, superheat at compressor 24 degrees, no subcooling possible
I took the supply air readings 15 minutes after stage one on and ten minutes after stage two on (noise was unbearable)
Blower fan and condenser fan rotating correct and amp draws and voltages ok. Voltage for unit is 494, 496, 494
 
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BC Guy. As embarrassing as this is, I just assumed that these were recips. They looked like recips. I'm not absolutely sure now that you ask, but I will look. I hope to god they are now that we changed one out. If they are scrolls, what could be causing that kind of noise inside the compressor? And will you be hiring soon? I may need a job if they are scrolls. lol. I'm taking the suction pressure after the suction filter and after the low press. sensor, but before the compressor.
 
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I noticed that there is also some noise comming from the unit when you are standing under it in the space. That noise is more like the noise you get when there is no vibration isolation on the unit. However, that noise and the noise comming from the compressor are quite different. They might be connected though, and we are already considering a fix for that. There doesn't seem to be any irregularities in the discharge piping. And we're going to do a vibration analysis on it this week.
 
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I have looked everywhere for that service bulletin and I can't find it. Do you have a link I could use?
 
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haven't been able to find your e-mail address. And I made absolutely sure that those were recips also.
 
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We are going to change the liquid line dryer any way we go since it wasn't done when they changed the compressor out. I also forgot to call the tech that installed the new compressor last year and ask him why his report says he changed the suction dryer but not the liquid line dryer. The scream didn't have that gas hiss to it like most internal relief's, but that couldv'e just been because I was deafened. It's also got cap tubes so I will be checking them out also. So far, we haven't had time to go back out, and since they have one stage of cooling, we don't have this on the priority list. I will make sure to tell ya'll what we find.
 
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