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8.6K views 25 replies 12 participants last post by  jerseydevil  
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I am just looking for options on an issue I run into occasionally.

Low pressure Chillers with leaks , prior to repair will no doubt be full of non condensables. When you recover the charge for repairs, liquid recovery via push pull is easy. But then there’s the vapor with non condensables.

Now if it is were r11 , it was easy in the past. But r123 has presented safety issues. Usually we bring in a water cooled purge to assist and recover into tanks. However the water cooled purge isn’t always available.

I’ve tried recovering with just using recovery machine which has a water cooled condenser. However the low pressure recovery tanks relief valve is set at 15 psi. The tanks over pressurize quick. But when there is 1 or 2 hundred pounds of vapor left , what are the options? Do you charge additional to dispose of and add fresh ? Charge extra to distill/ clean ? And what is the most cost effective method in this situation.

I’m just putting this out there for professional opinion. Locally I hear almost something different from each tech I talk to. Thanks for look8ng.
 
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#4 ·
R123 safety issues ?
Such as ?
 
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#5 ·
Get an air cooled portable purge...they are nicer and easier to use. You can also use a large empty tank for the vapor recovery, install a 10 psig pressure relief and let the tank and relief valve act as a purge. Not as effective as a mechanical purge but it works, especially if you have lots of air or leaks and may not get it all out. You have to expect that you won’t get it all out with a machine that has large leaks, anyway.
 
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#8 ·
You have to use a purge on your tanks, it's the only way to do it. I would never hook a hose up to the tank with the valve slightly cracked and vented through the rupture disc line.
 
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#10 ·
Just as I suspected.... Feel better knowing we’re all on the same page , well at least same chapter...

I always wondered why the relief valve outlets had hose fittings , lol.

Thanks for feedback
 
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#11 ·
I would still like to know what the R123 safety issues are
 
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#14 ·
Causing cancer in Jersey too. There must be a reason Carrier pays hazard pay for 123 and insists you dispose of all hoses , fittings etc after use with 123.
I’m just sayin it’s a safety issue because our safety officer made it an issue. Mandatory fit testing for respirator, gloves, msds sheets . Never had any of that for r11 , but then again , disco was legal too.

Recently went to United to get some degreaser in can that replaced Virginia 10. It was an Ef ... , the Ef stood for environmentally friendly. The manager looked it up and united stopped carry it ASAP. Labeled unsafe for use in US ? Now all they offer is spray bottles of degreaser.

My grandfather used to poor old oil cans on his stone driveway to keep the dust and weeds down. Swimming pools with evaporated chlorine lased water. Let me get back on track here.

Many chemicals out there , we all look at them differently. Just be careful and safe with the decisions you make.

I’m curious as too the safety/ effects of the new lp refrigerants. Anyone ?

Good talk , thanks
 
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#16 ·
...I’m curious as too the safety/ effects of the new lp refrigerants. Anyone ?

Good talk , thanks
It is a touch flammable. Be careful with your oil samples.
 
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#15 ·
I work with 123 pretty much everyday. No side effects that I'm aware of. At least not yet.

Carrier made these wild claims several years ago that it caused testicular enlargement. I wish it caused penis enlargement, if it did, we wouldn't have trouble finding techs at the orange meatball. Haha.
 
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I went to the meatball specifically to get the enlargement.....it didnt work :nopity::nopity::bsing:

Ok honestly ....CA is out to lunch and dinner and breakfast on this .....check out what R11 could do to you and I used to use it to open hand wash recip compressor parts in it prior to rebuilding them ...
 
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#26 ·
I think I should’ve takin this link pro. Lol. I don’t know if we want the next gen to know what to look forward too.

I’ve got well water and it’s damn cold...
 
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