If I didn't like my job or my boss, I'd seek employment elsewhere.

He could have borrowed the money, inherited the money, or it could be savings from years that they were more profitable?

How do you think ANY business gets by during times of red ink? They either borrow it, inherit it, or drag out that sock and hope it doesn't have a hole in it.

That being said, we're probably all guilty of being "F.O.S." from time to time.....

As Eddie Murphy might say, "99% of us do it, and the other 1% are liars"....

 

Ahh, come on John. You know what I mean. There is a difference between a fishing story, and having a serious conversation about business. Exaggeration is one thing. Flat out lying is another.

I know what a business must do to stay afloat John. It isn't allways busy season, and some years are good, others crap.

How many years would YOU personally operate a business in the red? Two years, three years, or six?

I know what it was all about. It was nothing but telling lies to draw for sympathy. It was all about asserting himself to make it how how "well" he thinks he treats everyone, and going without himself. That JUST isn't true. I am not saying the guy doesn't deserve to make a profit, or even that they should be somehow limited in the sake of "fairness". But I don't like being lied to and see someone draw themselves out as the pauper, when that is FAR, FAR from truth.

 

let's so your income tax papers pal.

 

A business has deductions that a regular person does not.

Lots of income can be "written off" well within the tax code, without pushing the envelope.

It is quite possible that the business owner may have less reported income than an employee, and no laws are broken.

 

I can stand a little bs now and then, but the day to day bs and lies I couldn't put up with either. I'd be looking. Now is a good time with summer fast approaching. I never have had much for liars either, especially when it seems like I am being tested or something.

 

And are you positive he has no investments,it is not only what you make,but what you do to make more! Rich people use many ways to make money!

 

Often times it is true. There could be circumstances whereby he is earning les than you, but maybe from the good times in years past, his mortgage is paid, he has lots of money in the bank, nd doesnt need to make what you think he does.

Typically owners are conservative type, squirrelling money away when times are good, spending it when times go south, knowing the good times have to be coming again soon. As far as the truck goes, I also have a 60k pickup truck. It is paid for by the company and tax credits. The government allows you to write down so much per year. In other words, spend it or be taxed on it. Usually the advantage goes ot buying the new truck to relieve the tax burden on the business.

As far as him lieing to you, only you know for sure. But, I can tell you that many owners right now arent making nearly what they used to make. You need ot understand there is a balance point, whereby if you go too lean, its hard ot make any money due to overhead etc. sometimes owners will just say screw it, keep the biz going and wait for the fat checks to return. In these cases ,they NEED to have x amount of labor pushing tickets in order to keep the doors open.

If you dont feel he is treating you fairly, only you can decide if its time to go, but remember thse days, much of the landscape is just painted green with water based paint. At the first sign of rain, much of that green grass fades away quickly. go feel the grass and see if it is real in your area, or if its just time to put up withhis nonsense until times get better.

 

Whether you like it or not he is your boss, he is the one paying your salary. Openly disrespect the boss might only lead you to have the door hit you from behind, your boss might be one of those monitoring this site. The reality is that people whom run their own company make more money than just their yearly salary. I have worked for company in my early years where the techs had to use their own cash to pick up part for repairs, there will always be the good, the bad and the ugly and this goes the same with technicians. You know where the door is as warm as the winter we have had this year I think we will have a hell summer coming up. Rather than being not happy at your current job thinking that the boss is not treating his employees as good as you think, move on man. The opportunities will be there when 90 plus degree weather hits, I would always leave on good terms, money is one thing being happy is priceless! No company will success with disgruntled employees.


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"Lied to constantly" is the phrase that did it for me. Freemind isn't just talking about his boss telling him what kind of money he makes. If I am reading between the lines like I think I am. I know several people like this that tell bs and lies all day long. Cant stand to be around them. It's the same as insulting my intelligence. Can shrug it off a couple of times a week but everyday, every time I see them? Cant handle it.

 

Bingo!

The boss used to be in my position, YEARS ago. He didn't have the responsibilites I have, nor was he responsible for all the things I do now. When he made a mess, he cried for help and left it to the other guys to do the dirty work. This isn't MY version of what was really true, it is everyone else that has worked with him his whole time here. I have my own experience with him, but everyone else has seen it too.

Everytime we talk about something related to work, it's like he feels the need to B.S. me about EVERYTHING. Costs of operation for example. He tells me, "we pay X for this". Then a few weeks later, he shows me the reports and he is lying through his teeth. The proof is RIGHT THERE on his report!

It's just like the "toys", vaccations, and house work he has had done. They get paid for with the BUSINESS account, not his personal account. One of the other managers told me that, and I have also seen it on the operation reports.

 

He might be half tellign the truth. But remember, his truck, the gator, a LOT of his expenses all get writtne off or are paid for directly by the company. SO his net profits might not be much more than your net pay. But he gets of all of us in tax breaks.

Were thsoe vacation schedule around the same time as a trade show or conference?

THe previous comment made before may also be correct His income may not be high, but his assets and new worth are far higher. He may not have a mortgage, car payment and again, gets lots of write offs.

But in the end, he is the one taking the risk associated wiht owning a business... and likely took a lot of risk when he bought or started it up.


Some people are cheap a**** too. His might be a guy that tips poorly, stays in cheap hotels, and things like that.


I know personally, once we get rid of one of our car paymetns and students loans, my wife and I will have all sorts of extra cash.

Keep in mind too, that his wife not working, means that he has essentially and extra dependant. How many kids does he have. If my wife didn't work, our tax bracket would drop. So really, she's only bringing home $0.50 on the dollar.


A LOT of things go into the equation.

 

He might be half tellign the truth. But remember, his truck, the gator, a LOT of his expenses all get writtne off or are paid for directly by the company. SO his net profits might not be much more than your net pay. But he gets of all of us in tax breaks.

Were thsoe vacation schedule around the same time as a trade show or conference?

THe previous comment made before may also be correct His income may not be high, but his assets and new worth are far higher. He may not have a mortgage, car payment and again, gets lots of write offs.

But in the end, he is the one taking the risk associated wiht owning a business... and likely took a lot of risk when he bought or started it up.


Some people are cheap a**** too. His might be a guy that tips poorly, stays in cheap hotels, and things like that.


I know personally, once we get rid of one of our car paymetns and students loans, my wife and I will have all sorts of extra cash.

Keep in mind too, that his wife not working, means that he has essentially and extra dependant. How many kids does he have. If my wife didn't work, our tax bracket would drop. So really, she's only bringing home $0.50 on the dollar.


A LOT of things go into the equation.

You were doing pretty good, until the area in bold.

He didn't invest jack. The owner of the company (the old grey one) has no kids interested in continuing the farm operation. So, he GAVE a partnership to my boss. Gave.

I am not jealous because he was gifted something. I am ticked because I work more hours, more days a year (almost 365 days a year, literally) and he can't seem to compensate me fairly. He isn't holding up his end of the bargain, and constantly lies to me. I don't care how much money he makes. I don't care if he has 100 brand new trucks. Good on him if he could.

 

Yup. And those vacations could be from buying $XXXX in equipment or some other supplier perk.

 

Which is EXACTLY why I DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT, participate in dealer trips....I think it's a bad deal, for the guys to get out there and do a great job of selling and installing......and the I get to go to Hawaii, or Jamaica, or wherever.....

 

Huh?

I am sure every person that works for GM or Busch Beer or any company asks the owners of those companies how much the owner makes. They have absolutly NO obligation to discuss that with you or any employee, you have nothing invested in his business. I would look for a job where you get to see the books so you can DEMAND what you want. I would have fired you for even the question if you asked it. The GREEDY BOSS! Why don't you start your own company? I'm sure you'll make MILLIONS, like the boss!

 

I am sure every person that works for GM or Busch Beer or any company asks the owners of those companies how much the owner makes. They have absolutly NO obligation to discuss that with you or any employee, you have nothing invested in his business. I would look for a job where you get to see the books so you can DEMAND what you want. I would have fired you for even the question if you asked it. The GREEDY BOSS! Why don't you start your own company? I'm sure you'll make MILLIONS, like the boss!

There's a good reason, why the #2 first-year business failure (behind restaurants) is the HVAC contractor......

Too many techs who think that "bossman is gettin' fat off my back"....jump out there with a truck and some tools......and soon enough, are broke, busted, and disgusted....

 

The OP stated this was but one example of the lies told to him constantly. Some folks here seem to just read the part they would like to comment on. Not just this thread but several I have seen since coming here. Its not a strange thing, as it happens in every forum I have ever visited.

I think it would be good if we all read the threads posted here carefully before any comment. Then think it through before posting. :.02:

 

The OP stated this was but one example of the lies told to him constantly.

But, who really cares? Some people spend all day spreading the manure.....just like the guys who brag about how much beer they drank last weekend, or how many girls they bagged in high school.

Methinks there's something more under the surface, than some occasional balderdash.....

 

The obvious fact is that you do not respect your boss and it is affecting your attitude.

The old saying is that there is your story, his story, and the truth.:grin2:

I don’t know maybe you work for a real unethical jerk and there is not hope, so you should move on.

So far all you have told us is what you perceive to be lies center around comparing how many toys he has to how many toys you have.

A few things that I wonder about
Are you paid a fair amount based on experience and skills?
Are you treated fairly?
What else does he lie about, and how does that affect you or your job performance?
Does he lie to the customer and ask you to do the same?
How many other people work for this guy and does he treat you any differently than anyone else?

It would appear to me your choices are, challenge, adapt, or move on.:.02:

 

I just try to give the people posting here the benefit of the doubt until it is obvious they don't deserve that consideration John.

 

Thank you.

John may not afford me the same, but, I don't care if he does or not. I would happily trade places with him.

John may not be willing to walk in my shoes and have the same experiences I have had, but it is nice he can rush to judement anyway.

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So people lie. Confronting them just takes up to much energy. And if you actually got them to say
"your right. I'm a rotten sob liar. You got me."
Well now what are going to do with that? Nothing.

 

Generally, when a liar is called out, they tend to stop lying to you. They don't like the embarassment of being called out.

 

No he doesn't

Not for nothing, it seems like youre a little miffed about the partnership.

Bottom line is, you dont like your boss, you feel youre being slighted? Leave! Go start your own thing, do whatever. If you're not going to do any of the above, then to put it bluntly, quit b1tchin!

If you have your hand in the fire, complaining about being burnt, and you dont move your hand, you deserve the burn!

 

As an employee we have two choices about how a company is run about the owner of the company
1 stay
2 leave

 

The boss ought to keep his personnal income personnal and if he dosn't I would question motives.

 

sounds like normal boss talk to me. I wouldn't get worked up about it. I used to hear the same things, and my friends hear it from their bosses, and so on. He may honestly believe he is telling the truth. I had a boss write on paper what he thought I made, package, what the van is worth, etc. I looked at him and laughed, I said if I was making this I wouldn't be asking for a raise.

 

Well, I wouldn't get worked up about it if it weren't always a subject of conversation with him. He is bringing it up once a month. I have to wonder, if he knows he should be paying me better, but uses the discussion as a way to "head it off at the pass".

as far as compensation, he tries that too. He tries telling me that it costs him DOUBLE my hourly wage. He claimed taxes, UE insurance and workers comp made it double. Not true. We don't get ANY benefits what-so-ever so there is nothing to figure in there either.

I know what value I bring to work everyday. I am not a dummy. It takes three people to replace me. I'm not joking or being a braggert. I am good at what I do.

 

Personally, I couldn't care less what the boss makes. Why even discuss it?

 

What exactly do you do? Freemind no disrespect, but sounds to me you will never be happy at your present employment. I think it is time to move on. No benefits sounds like a bad situation. I guess it's hard when you have other people in your life to worry about. Hopefully times will get better and there will be more opportunities for you. Good luck.

 

Currently, I work in AG. I raise steers for contracts to processing plants.

I was happy once. For about the first three years. Liked what I did, and looked forward to coming to work everyday. Not so much anymore. The hurtles and challenges have went from occationally, to miserable everyday.

I am hoping that school works to my favor, and I can get a decent job in HVAC this summer.

 

Freemind, you sound like a "great" employee, who simply needs a more challenging job where your skills and abilities are rewarded. Based on your posts it also sounds like you are restricted to location due to family. I'd look at the schooling and getting your certifications, and based on your personality your long range "goal" might be self employment after a few years of learning the ropes. Your present job could be just another "means" towards this goal, and nothing more. Endure it, take what you can from it and move on. I called this a "transition job" with my kids (who are all grown now). You did it for a reason to accomplish another more important goal. It's evidently not perfect and won't be, just endure it and get through this time. No boss is perfect as Lord knows I've had some crap ones myself. Swore that would not be me when and if the time came that I was in charge. Hopefully it's not, as I've had employees now for the last 25 years and still have some of the originals with me!! Sounds like your existing boss is an idiot, let him be that and go on. Good luck!:cheers:

 

Thank you! You are a good guy. I can tell from the way you talk, you are a salt of the earth, kinda guy. Likely explains the reason you have some VERY long term employees.

You are right, this job is nothing but a vehicle to get me to the end goal. More education certainly is another goal, but I know I need to get my feet wet in the HVAC field too. I already have prepared myself for a pay drop.

Tonight I was going to print out my resume, but found when I switched files from the old computer to the new one, the files didn't mix-n-match. I have to rebuild my resume now.. :gah:

Not like I don't have time tonight. I have to unload cattle at 1 AM and get back in to work at 7 AM. Such is life, or better put, the lack OF a life for me.....

 

People lie, it's a fact of life. Personally I don't care for story tellers and "twisters" as company but even I have embellished and distorted things at times or more often, completely screwed up the facts. I feel no shame in admitting this, I keep a standard of truth with the people in my everyday life as much as possible. To me it's a matter of decency.

 

Just after my last post, the truck showed up.

Markle is a quick un' to judge me, but IF only he knew the half of it......

Boss, (you know, the guy who pays me and has his golden cash invested) didn't bother to answe his phone when the trucker has been calling him over the past HOUR. My boss likes to, ehhh, drink. I don't care what a guy does, so long as they don't endanger me, or cause my life misery. My guess is, he had a little too much happy juice again, and couldn't hear his phone.....

So I took care of business and looked out for his investment. I did the job by myself, AGAIN. I won't be holding my breath for a "thank you", much less a raise.

I have to wonder though, why am I the only guy looking out for HIS investments? Why does a guy like him, feel I don't deserve a better living?

Whatever. Life goes on......

 

Just after my last post, the truck showed up.

Markle is a quick un' to judge me, but IF only he knew the half of it......

There is no "e" in my last name. I've been trying to get on Wheel of Fortune for years, so I can buy a vowel....

As to "judging" you....I draw my conclusions from what you post.

I have yet to see a post from you that compliments your current or any of your past employers.

I've seen numerous posts criticizing your past and current employers.

I've seen numerous posts criticizing employers in general.....even ones you've never worked an hour for.

You seem to be an intelligent guy, who lacks knowledge. Until you gain knowledge to compliment your intelligence, you will likely continue as you are now.....angry, frustrated, and unfulfilled in your work life.

Changing careers will not rectify this. Changing how you view things will.

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you made me wonder what I was making an hour I figured it's about 14 bucks the rest goes back into the company or should I say most of it goes to the government

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Yes, uncle scam LOVES your money. I am not fooled into thinking business owners are ROLLING around in free cash. I know it can be tough for them.


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today was a little worse than normal I start at 7 this morning it's 1 in the morning now

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