Does anyone know when Goodman plans to stop producing R-22 systems? I know they can legally continue to make units until 2010, but no manufacturer is going to be producing R-22 systems at full steam right up until the cut off date, only to be stuck with hundreds of systems they can't legally sell. Production of R-22 systems is going to stop at least 6 months before, perhaps even a year before the cut off date. My concern is I have a R-22 Goodman Air Source Heat Pump that is 7 years old, it would make sence to replace the outside compressor before the cut off date, rather than wait unit the unit fails and be forced to replace the entire system because R-22 systems will not be availiable and the higher pressure R410a is not compatiable with R-22 systems.
Goodman R-22 System Production
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Does anyone know when Goodman plans to stop producing R-22 systems? I know they can legally continue to make units until 2010, but no manufacturer is going to be producing R-22 systems at full steam right up until the cut off date, only to be stuck with hundreds of systems they can't legally sell. Production of R-22 systems is going to stop at least 6 months before, perhaps even a year before the cut off date. My concern is I have a R-22 Goodman Air Source Heat Pump that is 7 years old, it would make sence to replace the outside compressor before the cut off date, rather than wait unit the unit fails and be forced to replace the entire system because R-22 systems will not be availiable and the higher pressure R410a is not compatiable with R-22 systems.
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I know they can legally continue to make units until 2010, but no manufacturer is going to be producing R-22 systems at full steam right up until the cut off date, only to be stuck with hundreds of systems
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They can mfg till 2010 then have to stop producing them. R-22 will not be phased out till 2020 and maybe a little earlier than that.
With reclaiming of r-22 and putting back into the market place r-22 will be around for some time.....
Dont panic.
I know they can legally continue to make units until 2010, but no manufacturer is going to be producing R-22 systems at full steam right up until the cut off date, only to be stuck with hundreds of systems
WRONG
They can mfg till 2010 then have to stop producing them. R-22 will not be phased out till 2020 and maybe a little earlier than that.
With reclaiming of r-22 and putting back into the market place r-22 will be around for some time.....
Dont panic.
who said they are gonna be illegal. r-22 units will still be sold after the cut off date. they just won't be allowed to manufacture them after dec 31, 2009there will still be plenty of crappy Gooman units out there. don't worry!
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R-22 units will sell better after the cutoff date. They will not be illlegal to sale. If I were a manufacturer, I would be making more than normal. The demand will be greater with a greater profit.
If you are going to change anything out, I would switch everything over to 410A. Just because of the price of R-22 and where it will be in say 2yrs.I love my crappy Gooman
They'll be selling like hot cakes after the 2010 date.
I won't tell any customer its in their best interest to get an R410A system now. If they have a prefectly good working R22 system.
There is no proof that R22 refrigerant cost will sky rocket, after its demand goes down in 2010.
Its going to be available for a long time to come.
I won't tell any customer its in their best interest to get an R410A system now. If they have a prefectly good working R22 system.
There is no proof that R22 refrigerant cost will sky rocket, after its demand goes down in 2010.
Its going to be available for a long time to come.
[QUOTE There is no proof that R22 refrigerant cost will sky rocket, after its demand goes down in 2010.
Its going to be available for a long time to come.[/QUOTE]
BT
That sure was not the case with R12.... Available, yes, but look at the price..
Its going to be available for a long time to come.[/QUOTE]
BT
That sure was not the case with R12....
Available, yes, but look at the price..BT
That sure was not the case with R12....
Available, yes, but look at the price..[/QUOTE]R12 has a pathetic floor tax. Thats why its so high.
R22, doesn't have the same floor tax.
LOL...
The current tax on R12 bought is $11.20 per pound, plus if you have any instock from last year, an additional $0.45 per pound for any sold in 2008 that was already in stock.
Ps: there is a minimumn amount that you must have in stock from last year before you must pay the floor tax.
Thats why R12 is so expensive.
The current tax on R12 bought is $11.20 per pound, plus if you have any instock from last year, an additional $0.45 per pound for any sold in 2008 that was already in stock.
Ps: there is a minimumn amount that you must have in stock from last year before you must pay the floor tax.
Thats why R12 is so expensive.
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Any complete new installs or packaged changeout, we only do in R410a. If its a complete split system changeout, we only put in r410a. Its the future of our business.
The only time i will put in a r22 system is if the inside part is newer a model r22 or the customer cant afford a full system changeout. The way i see it ,and coming from working in hvac distribution(talking with gas manufacturers) before returning to work for my dad's company, is that putting in new r22 system is doing your customer a dis-service. The cost are virtually the same for the equipment, the gases are very close in price, and with most manufacturers, the warranties are much better. Look at ICP products and Amana, thier warranties are much better because the systems are R410a.
Also ICP has stated that they prefer that contractors put in r410a. The main reason is all the steps you are supposed to take for proper installation, would insure less failures because of bad installs. Also, icp products use 7mm copper tubing, which are less likely to leak. The copeland compressors are built better to withstand the r410a pressures.
As far as your equipment goes, keep it at least until the compressor warranty expires(if it hasnt already) and when you have an issue with r22 leaks or a compressor failure, then look at changing it out with a new r410a system.
The only time i will put in a r22 system is if the inside part is newer a model r22 or the customer cant afford a full system changeout. The way i see it ,and coming from working in hvac distribution(talking with gas manufacturers) before returning to work for my dad's company, is that putting in new r22 system is doing your customer a dis-service. The cost are virtually the same for the equipment, the gases are very close in price, and with most manufacturers, the warranties are much better. Look at ICP products and Amana, thier warranties are much better because the systems are R410a.
Also ICP has stated that they prefer that contractors put in r410a. The main reason is all the steps you are supposed to take for proper installation, would insure less failures because of bad installs. Also, icp products use 7mm copper tubing, which are less likely to leak. The copeland compressors are built better to withstand the r410a pressures.
As far as your equipment goes, keep it at least until the compressor warranty expires(if it hasnt already) and when you have an issue with r22 leaks or a compressor failure, then look at changing it out with a new r410a system.
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Any complete new installs or packaged change out, we only do in R410a. If its a complete split system change out, we only put in r410a. Its the future of our business.
The only time i will put in a r22 system is if the inside part is newer a model r22 or the customer cant afford a full system change out. The way i see it ,and coming from working in hvac distribution(talking with gas manufacturers) before returning to work for my dad's company, is that putting in new r22 system is doing your customer a dis-service. The cost are virtually the same for the equipment, the gases are very close in price, and with most manufacturers, the warranties are much better. Look at ICP products and Amana, their warranties are much better because the systems are R410a.
Also ICP has stated that they prefer that contractors put in r410a. The main reason is all the steps you are supposed to take for proper installation, would insure less failures because of bad installs. Also, icp products use 7mm copper tubing, which are less likely to leak. The Copeland compressors are built better to withstand the r410a pressures.
As far as your equipment goes, keep it at least until the compressor warranty expires(if it hasn't already) and when you have an issue with r22 leaks or a compressor failure, then look at changing it out with a new r410a system.
The only time i will put in a r22 system is if the inside part is newer a model r22 or the customer cant afford a full system change out. The way i see it ,and coming from working in hvac distribution(talking with gas manufacturers) before returning to work for my dad's company, is that putting in new r22 system is doing your customer a dis-service. The cost are virtually the same for the equipment, the gases are very close in price, and with most manufacturers, the warranties are much better. Look at ICP products and Amana, their warranties are much better because the systems are R410a.
Also ICP has stated that they prefer that contractors put in r410a. The main reason is all the steps you are supposed to take for proper installation, would insure less failures because of bad installs. Also, icp products use 7mm copper tubing, which are less likely to leak. The Copeland compressors are built better to withstand the r410a pressures.
As far as your equipment goes, keep it at least until the compressor warranty expires(if it hasn't already) and when you have an issue with r22 leaks or a compressor failure, then look at changing it out with a new r410a system.
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I disagree, Although I'm not allowed to post any prices here, I can get a replacement Goodman Compressor for very little. To change the entire system just to run 410A will be considerably more expensive.
You do make a good point though, R-22 systems will most likely spike in price as the number of units left are used up.
As for having a R-22 system, I'm not concerned. Production of R-22 Freon will continue until 2020 and as the number of R-22 systems are replaced with 410A systems, the demand for existing recovered supplies will decrease.
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They have to make R-22 untill 2020. If I'm not mistaken the government requires that they do for warranty purposes. I would still push push 410A because of prices. That's just mho.
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Why push a dying product? I understand about the exceptions according to money, inside equipment, etc, but for new installs and complete change outs, its kinda wrong in my opinion to put in r22. Sure its still going to be around for a while for service, but why bother? It is going away. You know why there is a lot of r22 still around? More and more contractors are going to r410a. Its the future, we must evolve or be left behind by our competitors.
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