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Comparable Rheem/Ruud vs York systems: anything I'm missing?

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Lots of great info here, thanks to all the contributors. Information I found here helped me when gathering quotes from contractors. I'm now considering three offers from from two contractors:

Contractor 1:
Rheem RH1T + RA16 (free upgrade to the RH1V if I want but my understanding is it won't offer any benefit when paired with the RA16)

Contractor 2:
Ruud RH1T + RA16 (basically the same as the Rheem offer above)
or
York AE48 + TCH48


The Rheem and Ruud offers from the 2 contractors are within $100 of each other. Both have a good reputation in the area and seemed knowledgeable. Contractor 2 includes a raised concrete slab in the quote (option to use existing slab but won't decrease my price) and contractor 1 offers 4 year 0% financing as opposed to 18 month 0% financing from contractor 2.

The York offer from contractor 2 came in $200 to $300 cheaper than the Rheem and Ruud offers. From my research York appears to be a reputable brand although I can't find as much written about these units as I can for the Rheem and Ruud units. In addition to being cheaper the York includes 10 year parts and labor warranty as opposed to 10 year parts and 1 year labor for the Rheem and Ruud.

I'm leaning toward the York offer from contractor 2 mostly due to the length of the labor warranty. The AE48 is also a bit quieter than the RH1T. Contractor 2 insisted that in addition to being cheaper and having a better warranty, the York was a higher quality build. He may be right but I remain skeptical. He wrote up on my quote that the York comes in at 16.25 SEER as opposed to 16 SEER for the Rheem/Ruud units. Manufacturer literature lists the York unit as 17 SEER so I'll need to get clarification on why he wrote it up as 16.25.

Am I overlooking anything? The cost saving is nice too, but length of the labor warranty is what is really drawing me to the York unit.
 
#3 ·
That was the biggest takeaway I got from this forum before I solicited quotes. I did contact a third contractor but I didn't list their quote for a number of reasons but mostly I didn't trust the rep. I'd be comfortable with either of the two contractors I described in my post.
 
#4 ·
Brands are irrelevant, you need to find the best contractor you can as the install is more than the name on the box, who ran a manual J, who recommended duct changes/improvements, who supplied AHRI #'s showing it's a matched set? Manufacturers only label equipment as UP TO whatever seer rating, larger capacity equipment will always use more power than smaller equipment. While 10 years of labor is pretty nice, it's almost always provided by the installer and not the manufacturer so if the installer goes under or stops returning your calls or cant fix it, your SOL.
 
#6 · (Edited)
Supply the complete model numbers of the indoor and outdoor section, can tell you if they are offering AHRI matched systems. It takes the Indoor and Outdoor section to get SEER and EER Not just the OD section. Can tell you the SEER, EER, total cooling BTU/Hr if they are bidding matched systems.

Possibly the reason the York is written as 16.25 SEER is that what it’s rated at. You can ask them for the AHRI number to prove the 16.25 SEER.

Rebates and the Federal Tax Credits come into play.

The 10 year extended labor warranty on the York is a nice perk. Hopefully the manufacturer is backing that warranty and not the Contractor.
 
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#7 ·
RH1V has variable speed motor, aka constant airflow. Within reason, there is a limit with a horrible duct system. The RH1T has a constant torque and the airflow will vary with duct conditions. The variable speed can be hooked to a thermostat that does dehumidify on demand, a great feature in a humid climate.

The York AH has the constant torque motor. I don't find a TCH48, there's a TCHD & TCHE48 shown on their web site, the back discharge. The negative is a micro channel coil.
 
#9 ·
He wrote up on my quote that the York comes in at 16.25 SEER as opposed to 16 SEER for the Rheem/Ruud units. Manufacturer literature lists the York unit as 17 SEER so I'll need to get clarification on why he wrote it up as 16.25.
With the 4 ton YCG, it looks like u have to match it to the AE60D to get 17 SEER.
 
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#10 ·
Thank you. I found the tech sheets which show in addition to pushing it to 17 seer, [editted, may have been bad info, trying to find it again]

Also confirmed with contractor, the 10 year labor warranty is backed by manufacturer (York) not the company. Waiting on a proposed contract with all the warranty terms in writing to verify.
 
#11 ·
Believe York and Daikin are the only manufacturers that actually backs their own extended labor warranty, all other brands use a 3rd party.

Yes better off having the manufacturers back the warranty, as reason for asking previously, if the bidding Contractor offers them and they go out of business your stuck with no labor warranty.

There are two active AHRI numbers for the AE60D, that is only part of the number. If it says AE60DBC21 that coil has a built in TXV. If they bid a AE60DX21 there needs a field installed TXV

The AHRI numbers are 8865466 and 205145351 both give 17 SEER and 14 EER. Trouble is those coils are 24” wide. Guessing the two 16.25 SEER ( AHRI 8865463 and 9100276 ) gives the 16.25 SEER and 13.25 EER, has the 21” wide coil, which may fit your ductwork better.

Same thing applies if they quote the AE48CBC21 that coil has the TXV, the other one AHRI number 8865463 shows the coil number as AE48CX21+TXV which means a field installed TXV needs to be installed.

Still need to register everything to get the 10/10 compressor and parts warranty.

Hopefully they do a somewhat detailed startup report/commissioning report on your system. Things like static pressure, final field refrigerant charge, blower fan speed, amprege draws of motors and compressor etc. etc. are all within manufacturers specifications. You can ask them for a copy of all that.

There are couple 16.50 SEER and 13.75 EER with a 24” wide AE48D

So ask them for the AHRI number to prove the 16.25 SEER, it should be one of AHRI number listed if you want a active listing.

Check yourself.... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...jALegQIBBAB&url=https://www.ahridirectory.org/&usg=AOvVaw1Psb39iTznxCFNAi8fJHHj
 
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