It’s illegal to mix refrigerants.

If your certified you should know this.

 

Never field mix refrigerants except in a system designed for it (typically ultra low temp refrigeration).

 

Oh and, pricing not allowed in open forums.

 

REALLY!!!
Did you tell that to the manufacturers of R410A as well??

Look it up please What is R410A refrigerant?
Answer:
R410A is a 50-50 combination of R32 and R125 refrigerants by mass. The volume ratio is 70:30.

 

You cannot mix refrigerants in the field when charging equipment.
The rule is quite clear and simple.
If you need R-32, then use that.

 

I also never said i wanted to mix I said can I take out what is left of the R32 and put in R410A
ADMIN sorry for he price was just a quote as not going to by a 30lb bottle when i only need a 1lb

 

Ashrae designation, approved and tested by vendor & mfg, documented performance & tp charts.
Which gas law applies?

 

So just curious when why do Manufacturer advertise this.
This is taken from ONE manufacture web site selling R32 units

Installation Package: Our ac mini split system comes with an indoor unit, outdoor unit, multifunctional remote control, and comprehensive installation kit; Pre-charged with environmentally friendly R32 refrigerant (replaceable with R410A refrigerant) while the air filter is washable and easy to clean; Professional installation is required for this system

 

So does ANYONE know where in the USA they sell the 800 Gram refill R32
As mentioned NOT wanting to buy a 30lb tank when only need ONE lb

 

You’re listed as a tech/installer.
Buy a bottle and use it for future customers.

 

I am a small one man outfit that keeps the most common on tap.
So i have R410A hence why all the questions that yet not one person has answered.
I have empty tanks to remove any of R32 in the system but from what I have seen it is empty as there is also a leak on the system and you can not full a vacuum
This has to be fixed first but like everyone else I am trying to find answers to give teh customer before proceeding
I like others do not have a spare few hundred bucks lying around to buy a 30lb tank for something i may not use for the next 3 years as most units are under warranty for the next 5 years
As said I only need One Lb not 30

 

I'm recently retired and not positive about using 410 in a 32 system, I'll let others answer that.

But if you're going to do R-32, you need to bite the bullet and buy what is needed to support it. It's only a matter of time until you'll need some R-32.

 

should have never asked for permission, do it and if it dont work ask for forgiveness. didnt yur buddies teach you this?

 

As said going to take out what is left as it was stopped by closing the valves.
The whole systems only take 17 ounces when full.
So i am sure there is over 1 oz in it

 

Is this a minisplit?
What brand is it?

 

It does make sense they start making smaller bottles of uncommon but still necessary things though. Come to think of it, I still have a 70% full purple gas / CFC-502 sitting around. Getting rid of things like this will become a huge pain in the future.

I've seen camping propane sized obscure gases on eBay before, but looks like I don't see them anymore. Obscure gases like CFC-114, CFC-502 and such.

 

R-502 will work fine in an R-22 system.

 

Your profile says you are a HVAC mechanic of some kind. You have met the post requirement already - so please apply for professional membership on this forum and then we can openly discuss your options.

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Thank you for the input Sir
The system is R32 however NOT R22

 

Sure, but ICanHas is wondering what he can do with his R-502.

 

Are you in the US? R32 is cheaper than 410 and that's dirt cheap right now. If you aren't making enough to cover a bottle you are working for free. No manufacturer is going to tell you to replace with 410. If you simply look at the PT charts for each refrigerant you will find a simple answer

 

Yes I am in the USA.
I am trying to find a supplier of R32 in the 800 gram refill bottles that for some reason are only available outside the USA and you can only get only 20 or 30 lb cannisters.
As a single man operation I can not afford to pay out the money needed for one of these and then hope I may be able to use the remaining within its usability time frame
So i am trying to source per job.
But as I have R410A on hand, it was mentioned to me that R32 systems can use it which is what started this thread, as r32 is so new to the system

 

I picked up a bottle this morning for less than the cost of 410. We have been putting Daikin units in for months that are r32 and just finished off the initial bottle purchase. Reefer doesn't go bad. There should be enough profit to cover the cost or you aren't charging enough. 410 reefer is about 9x cost per pound so a little over 2 pounds sold covers the tank. Time is money don't waste it trying to source refills. Don't forget you need a left hand thread adapter....add that into the repair price

 

Can you use R410A in an R32 system.
R32 is a 50% + %05 mix of both R410a and R32, where as R32 is just 100% R32

I agree with the others, you sound like a homeowner/DIY. Let me guess, you bought a mini-split online and are trying to install it?

R410A is a 50/50 blend of R32 and R125. It's not a "mixed gas" in the sense you implied - It's a blend made with precision by the manufacturer, not just two gasses dumped into a system in the field.

The only people who want to buy 1lb cans of refrigerant are DIY. Homeowners don't want to fork over the money for a whole jug because they'll never use the rest of it. Plus no one will sell you one if you aren't EPA certified anyway.

A pro would just buy the 20lb jug of R32 and keep the leftover for later. You're going to need more of it eventually if you really are doing service.

To answer your original question:
Would it work if you removed all the R32 and used R410A? Maybe. Should you do it? I wouldn't recommend it. Using R410A may void the manufacturer's warranty and could also void the UL listing.

It's your unit though, feel free to do whatever you want to it.

 

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You could buy 28 oz bottle - more than you need, but not too much as in several lbs
Check for smaller size of r-32 to get your extension piping - maybe you could use more than 15 feet of pipe- if there could be some advantage?

 

28oz bottle R-32?

 

Yeah, like a Coke...

 

It's a mini split from overseas... Overseas manufacturers don't really care about what kind of refrigerant it is. They don't abide by US law.

 

When you get on this site expect to be questioned. This is not a bulletin board.

 

Jeez, I can go to the corner gasoline station and buy five gallons of R-290 for $20, no certification required. And it's super flammable compared to R-32.

 

It’ll work and I’d do it to my own system but if you’re actually a contractor and are working for a client then eat your bad flare and buy a jug of whatever juice the system calls for.