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1-inch return filter vs internal 4-inch filter effect on CFM in Carrier Infinity syst

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My small home's HVAC system (installed in 2019) has a 3-ton Carrier Infinity modulating variable speed furnace paired with a Carrier Performance 3-ton 17 SEER 2-stage AC condenser. Because it has a non-communicating condenser, it does not have the Carrier Infinity controller and is using an Ecobee thermostat, essentially downgrading that fancy furnace.

That said, they installed the furnace in a very hard-to-access attic within the building's insulated envelope because it was the only place to put it during the remodel. That makes the 4-inch or whatever size filter that is on the system very difficult to access for switching out the filter (requiring removing a couple of built-in shelving units in the small access area), so the HVAC installer put in a 14x30x1 return air opening which he said was just barely adequate to cover the CFM rating, but could be swapped out regularly instead of using the built-in filter.

I have since been doing some research to establish how high of a MERV rating I can go with when purchasing replacement filters, and it looks like none of the pleated filters are recommended at all if I am reading page 18 of the manual correctly (apologies, I had links for everything, but apparently I'm not allowed to post links or images yet). It doesn't have an example for 14x30, but the area is barely more than the 16x25 example.

That got me wondering, Is this return air inadequate for my system? I want it to function as efficiently as possible because I hope I will not have to replace it for a very long time. It will require an immense amount of work to swap it out in the future in the location they placed it. Based on the manual, it seems only a fiberglass filter can be used, not a pleated one. I'm guessing because pleated has too big of a pressure drop. I've been using a Filtrete MERV 11 up until now.

The follow-up question is, will using the built-in 4-inch filter prolong the life significantly? If it's a definite yes, then I'll find a way to do shelf removal once a year and find a way up into that attic to swap it out rather than using the much easier to access 1-inch return filter.
 
#2 ·
Just a side note. The non communicating outdoor unit has nothing to do with your ability to run an Infinity thermostat. Only the indoor unit dictates it. If you indoor unit is Infinity, it can use the Infinity stat.

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#4 · (Edited)
I was told by a Carrier installer that does a lot of Infinity installs that my furnace would have full communication control with an Infinity controller, but my 2-stage condenser would not use the 2nd stage because it is a non-communicating 2-stage system. It would be locked at one stage unless I had a NIM controller installed at the furnace and run to the condenser with new ABCD comm wire. I'm actually not completely opposed to the idea of being locked into stage 1 because the system is oversized and stage 1 is probably sufficient at all times, and more energy efficient.

The bigger rub is that I was also told I would need to have ABCD communication wire run from the furnace to the thermostat because the typical unshielded solid core thermostat wire designed for 24v can get interference, especially when bent around nails and wrapped in tight coils as rough-in HVAC installers do (and did in my house). There's no easy path from the furnace to the thermostat for new wire, but could be done with some effort if I knew that it would add additional features for speed to be more efficient for dehumidification and quieter nice performance when sleeping. I seem to run into homeowner after homeowner in online forums hating on the Infinity controller, which worries me a bit.
 
#3 ·
The difference in surface area is much more than you think. A 4" pleated filter provides far more surface area than a 1" pleated filter. However I would bet even the 4" filter probably needs changed at least twice a year unless you don't run the system much or you have an immaculately clean home.
 
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#5 · (Edited)
I was referring to the difference in surface area of a 1-inch 16x25 filter (from page 18 of the manual), which is 400-in², to my 14x30 filter, which is 420-in². The difference between a 1-in pleated filter and a 4-in pleated filter is I'm sure quite a bit and preferable if easily accessible.

I can't overstate how difficult it is to access that furnace given the placement it is in. I'd post a photo, but as a new member any type of link posting is not allowed. This was discussed with the installer when they were planning the rough-in install and he suggested that he puts a 1-in filter at the return because he could see that it was going to be a chore to get up there when we had shelving units planned to take up the space for the access.

If the consensus is that my 1-in pleated filter at whatever MERV level is harmful or not recommended by the manufacturer, I will bite the bullet and find a path up to the furnace every 12 months (or whatever interval is necessary). I just can't find that professional answer because it is unclear to me in the manual and Carrier does not take phone calls.
 
#6 ·
Might I suggest you look into the Honeywell media filter part number FC40R1169. It is a MERV 10 3" media filter made to fit in a 14x30 return air grille. The only thing is, there would need to be a deep enough box behind the grille to allow this filter to fit as well as have room for circulation through the entire filter.

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#8 ·
I will look into that filter. My return air grille is just a 1" deep box, so I'm guessing it won't work in it. I'm not sure why they didn't just put in a 3" when it was installed for this system (this was part of a big remodel, so it was all new mechanical).
 
#9 ·
That's optimistic news. You've convinced me to at least look into starting with the Infinity controller option. I'm still not sure why so many people I have heard from with these thermostats hate them and see no granular control like what I see listed. Potentially they initially programmed them incorrectly. As someone who has installed a lot of these systems, do you see big advantages for my use case with an Infinity furnace and Performance 2-stage (non-communicating) AC condenser? I really just care to dial everything down for this oversized system, and prolong the life of the system as well.
 
#10 ·
I really appreciate all the insight regarding the Infinity thermostats as a possible way of being able to dial down the CFM to accommodate the 1-in filter media.

Does anyone have insight into whether the 14x30 pleated filter is too restrictive for my system? Is a particular MERV rating or filter less restrictive?
 
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