Happy New Year. Do you think it would be beneficial for everybody to allocate a different group where all the posts of various systems pro's and con's would be discussed, nothing else? Would it make sense?
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Sorry no show I'm not getting led down that road again.
My fault for jumping the gun then Trey, but since we're now traveling on this road.house, even comparing this one other site you are talking about to this, the father time figure of any and all things professional hvacr site, is like well, comparing pre fab lego trunk lines to residential flex.
Child, I'm still on good terms with a more than just a simple few people from this site you refer to, Swampfox and phbsales (aka Brad), the two main guys from that site.
What happened over there (and I told you in our pm conversation yesterday that I'd be willing to explain MY side of the story) happened between myself an ONE other person whom had friends talking crap for no reason too) not the site itself, but it was up to them to do what they thought they had to and IN ALL HONESTY, I CAN SEE THINGS FROM THEIR SIDE AND AGREE WITH THEIR DECISION FOR AT THE TIME. No biggie and definitely no loss on this end as we all communicate here still, on more or less decent terms. And I also told you yesterday that I was merely having fun with you and not "verbally attacking anyone" and you came back all, "Mommy, he doesn't know how to take criticism..."
pOop hapPens, child.
It's been here for more than a year. Not to worry, there's normally a warning first but the reflection of this site is based on how guest are treated. If we continue to bash guests or each other then there is no hope for forward success.
Don't understand this...what does his Master in Geophysics have to do with pro status? It was my understanding that you had to be a Pro in this field.
Not arguing with you Lusker....just curious is all.
Geophysics deal with the earth and water. We have a forum for Geothermal and this is a part of our industry and therefore may have qualified. Would have been up to the Membership committee though.
Thanks for the reply Lusker.
I have worked on Geothermals since my first year in this industry and we installed 44 of them last year...but just because someone knows how the earth cools and is warmed up and a degree showing that, in my opinion doesn't mean they know about HVAC, nor would it make them a PRO.
Just my opinion of course and again not arguing...was just under the impression that everyone with pro status was actually a pro in the HVAC field.
I'm with you and is the reason why I leave these things to people much smarter than I. If the Membership Board said no then that would be it. Being surround by and being able to delegate to those who are brothers or sisters in the industry make my job here so much easier.
(a nice way of saying I was passing the buck)
Enjoy your evening.
Kind of like the States that post signs telling you how much the fine is for going so much over the speed limit. Let's me know how fast I can AFFORD to go
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I've had a few days to consider this, and I'd like to add my input. I am indeed a guest, and have no real standing to object. I also realize that you've put some thought into the changes and have the best of intentions.
That said, I much prefer member over guest. That title is more likely to feel honorable and respectful to those "guests" who are valuable and long term contributors - some of whom have been here for many years. I've only been here a year, but have myself tried to diligently pass on what I've learned here to new-to-this-forum homeowners (giving back to the larger community). Most forums work like this with new people stepping in for a while and operating as a resource, even though not necessarily as authoritative as other voices might be.
Pros don't always speak in language that newbies can understand, nor does a pro always step in to repeat basic stuff (over and over again - must get tiresome). In addition, sometimes useful information can be lost in disrespect, so another perspective can be valuable.
My choices (if I was running this forum) would be to keep the name member, perhaps adding non-professional in front of it to be very clear.
If you must use guest, I might suggest Valued guest would put a tone on it that would both encourage a good tone from professional members, and lend some shades of respect to non-professionals. Another possibility would be Honored guest.
If I was a professional member, I would lobby further, but as I am not, I'm done. I'm saying this with all due respect for the thought and rationale of the title change.
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Oh, turns out I do have one more thing to add. Instead of Banned under someone's screen name, what about Offline, or On leave? Stigma is all well and good, but is that harsh a label necessary for one who is just being disciplined for a short term?
You do have a point, but one thing to remember is that this site is primarily for hvac pros.
So with that in mind I think guest is a proper title.
We as pros are concerned with the overall image of our industry and we will certainly respect guests as we do our customers.
Sometimes pros don't treat the regular member with respect but it is the exception and is definitely dealt with by the moderators if reported, from what I have observed.
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I personally like the new labels. Most people come to this site to get tips or advice from professionals. Whether they're new to the site or returning guests, they can distinguish between who know's what they're talking about and who doesn't. I've seen a lot people on here giving bad advice because they think they know what they're talking about, when really they're just reciting jargon out of book or other online source. There may be some guests that can add some valuable information, but for the most part, people come here looking for professional advice. I hope someday the HVACR trade can become a licensed trade similar to plumbers and electricians so that every Tom, Dick and Harry isn't out there installing furnaces and A/C's because they think they know what they're doing. I know a lot about electrical work, but I can't do it because I'm not a licensed electrician, yet an electrician can install a furnace just because he's and electrician. I say stick with the new labels, those of us that are in the trenches everyday doing this trade have earned the title "Professional Member".
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I think you're reading too much into the label "professional member". A young guy still in trade school can get that label. A guy who's been doing it wrong for 20 years can also.
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Just out of curiousity, are you implying something here? Maybe there could be a different title for those that are in trade school and haven't worked in the field yet? I think alot of the people that are in trade school come to this site to further their education and pick up valuable "tricks of the trade" from the ones that have been there. I agree though that there are guys that have been doing it for wrong for a long time and still call themselves pro's, but a true pro can look at their work and know that they're hacks. By the membership committee evaluating every application for pro status, at least they can determine which people are truly in the trade and not just blowing smoke up your you know what. It's not possible for them to know whether they're hacks or not.
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