any one have experiance with these or should i get digi-cools?
thanks in advanced for your replies.
atriot:
thanks in advanced for your replies.
atriot:
yellowjacket Refrigeration System Analyzer
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I posted a rant about the YJ Brute on Facebook once and did hear from a marketing woman from YJ.
She said that she was going to forward my complaints and suggestions to the engineering department.
I suppose that engineering forwarded them to the round file.
I have lost a lot of respect for YJ products over the last few years, from their newer manifolds to the analog gauges they are making.
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we have an entire cage full of yj brutes that leak in the sigjt glass and the stems!!!!!!!!!!!
and i am not kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a whole bunch of them
most of the guys have gone to refco analog manifolds
and i am not kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a whole bunch of them
most of the guys have gone to refco analog manifolds
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Wasn't this Y/J unit a gift to you Stogey?
I think your opinion would actually be worth more to me if you had personally researched the units available and then laid you own hard earned money down on this product.
Can you elaborate your sent back in droves comment?
I think your opinion would actually be worth more to me if you had personally researched the units available and then laid you own hard earned money down on this product.
Can you elaborate your sent back in droves comment?
Hey man yall said they arent listening and im telling you that they are. Im telling you that your perception is incorrect. They are here on this forum. And they are in this exact thread.
And im almost sure they are going over the titan manifolds. ACtually idk i might shoot the guy an email and ask him about that. Although im sure stuff like that they keep under wraps untill its preparing for market.
And in my stance to back up YJ i guess it comes off as me hating Digicool and thats not what im meaning at all. Im just showing other points of view.
LOL and im not trying to bash old dudes at all. You guys know how you are. Your set in your ways n **** and once youve made up your mind about something youll never change it. Even though that thing you made your mind up about, has changed. Im just saying that doesnt serve you.
**** my dad is the same way. Yall know how you are. Im not hating just bringing up the facts as i experience with the older fellas. Not seriously faulting you for it. Just offering an expanded view point. CAuse thats the job of the next generation is to expand their view points.
IMO i dont care if hte head of YJ is a murderer. That holds no bearing on the quality of hte products in my tool bag.
Yea my boss bought it. But i was researching them already with plans to buy. And the YJ was at the top of my list. Main point over the Digicool was Ktype and micron gauge. But i had done TONS of drooling over all of them up untill that point.
Elaborate how? Everyone here saying the customer service was great and he gets warranty handled well. And they send up back for updating. And im just saying ive never needed YJ warranty.
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Fatstogey,
This is a COMPLETELY false statement.
Not much over a year ago, I was completely happy with analog gauges.
MY research, MY time, and ultimately, MY MONEY went into a set of digital gauges. Despite the fact that many around me told me I was a fool to buy them.
Fatstogey, You could not be more wrong about us old guys being set in our ways, sure there are some who do not want to change. Change is good if the change is for the better. I have been doing this for almost 40 years and have seen a lot of changes. If us old guys where set in our ways as you say , you would not have digital meters because us old guys would not have bought them.
DDC would not be the norm in commercial buildings you would see pneumatic control systems being installed.
When I was in the market for a dmg , I did a lot of research including talking with the y/j rep. I would have bought the y/j made by digi-cool if it did not come with their crap manifold. Instead I paid for the quality , accuracy and dependability of the digi-cool.
DDC would not be the norm in commercial buildings you would see pneumatic control systems being installed.
When I was in the market for a dmg , I did a lot of research including talking with the y/j rep. I would have bought the y/j made by digi-cool if it did not come with their crap manifold. Instead I paid for the quality , accuracy and dependability of the digi-cool.
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YA Know,,,,,,,,I've been lurking on these posts for the digital gauges for two years now. My take is they all have their good features and their foibles. I'm an old Gruppy guy, been doing this for 47 years. supposed to be retired, but still out doing a few calls every week, and I've been looking at these gauges for quite some time. For me the investment will go either to Y/J or digicool. I'm geographically next door to Digicool, and have been very impressed by Doug's efforts to do right by his customers. By the same token, over the years, I've been better served by J/B, than Y/J. I really prefer J/B, but some items are only available from Y/J. I think that if I do purchase a set of digitals, it'll be the Digicools. So when I die, my 3 boys that are not in the trade will sell em at a garage sale for beer money. LOL
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if you start feeling sick or think it may be time to go??
could you please think ahead and post an ad for the forementioned garage sale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we wouldn't want those boys getting drunk!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
fellow old gruppy
could you please think ahead and post an ad for the forementioned garage sale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we wouldn't want those boys getting drunk!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
fellow old gruppy
I said that it generally wouldnt apply to those of you on the forums. I know many old guys in real life who dont and wont even use a computer. So i said that you guys likely didnt fall into that category.... too deeply. lol
And changes that you have no choice dont count. Of course the industry changes and you have to adjust.
However someone said "i had no problem with analogs a year ago." yet now the YJ digis, that are more accurate than analog arent good enough. When the analogs served well for 38 years. Now though, this digi inst accurate enough?
Its directly contradictory. Which leads me to believe the decisions are based on emotion not logic.
Also. lol
Due to poorly designed manifolds you are no not buying any yellow jacket products. Again thats an emotional decision. Not a logical one. YJ makes many products. And that 1 holds no bearing on the remaining catalog of 83,384 products. So again not a logical decision.
Its an old guy "i wont change" decision. And im saying that does NOT serve YOUR!!!!!!! best interest. Perhaps it puts your ethical side at ease... not sure how that helps you at work?
The proof is in the pudding dude. You are exhibiting old guy mentality dude. Its unavoidable. I, as a young guy, see it and am more aware of it than you are.
And im not saying theres anything wrong with old guys. Im sure the lot of you know ALOT more than i do about HVAC. I dont have the experience. But that doesnt change the fact that my IQ is 150 and i see and examine things(especially other peoples idiosyncrasies) and decide how to make that more efficient.
The old guys ive worked with HATED when i took what they showed me and tried to make it my own. "NO I SAID DO IT THIS WAY!!!!!" Even though i already know the way i took their info and modified it, serves me more efficiently. No emotion about it whatsoever.
But the old guy mentality states theres no way i can improve on something hes done for 15 years. And again thats a false thought. And it does not serve you well.
And again im not bashing yall dudes. WEll i suppose a lil bit. lol But its all in good spirits. Dont go all "old guy" on me and get really upset about it. LOL im just funnin with you but still correct none the less. Your not serving your best interests with the mentality.
The next generations job is to surpass previous. Dont hate it. Embrace it.
And i notice my own shortcomings as well. Im incredibly arrogant, mildly narcissistic, and perhaps slightly sociopathic. Even worst in real life too cause im 6'5. However even though i seem like a ass i still absorb the information you have. I just dont take it right at face value. I alwasy try to improve anything. No matter if its worked for me for 5 years. I always look fo r away to make it better. Make it faster. And adjust with teh changes that come over time.
AGain old guy mentality. "MY MONEY" lol. I dont have a wife or kids. I could go buy a set of DSRAs today if the supply house was open. I told you i was researching and literally days away from purchase when my boss told me he bought me some.
Money is of no consequence WHATSOEVER to me. And the current fiat money system is bane of mankind. So the money is of the least importance to me. The only reason i even need money is cause everyone else thinks we need in. IN my world there is no money. LOL Insert old guy statements here... lol
And id also like to point out "doug send me my gauges back fast." You dotn have to send YJs in at all.
Plus the 2 people here who actually HAVE THEM, have nothing bad to say except the manifold leaves something to be desired. But i got no leaking? so idk what to say on that. But yes i dont like the titan II. But if its a serious issue i can change it.
Oh what manifold do the digicools come with.... So the 1 issue is a moot point because DCs dont even come with their own manifolds. Yet... i guess?
Fats
I think what many of us are saying is YJ is Getting worst as a whole not better.
DRS is newer and has not seen the test of time yet. We hear more and more talk in field and at the supply houses about issues with YJ. I think most all of us hope YJ turns around.
Just old of curiosity why to you
"And in my stance to back up YJ i guess it comes off as me hating Digicool "
I think what many of us are saying is YJ is Getting worst as a whole not better.
DRS is newer and has not seen the test of time yet. We hear more and more talk in field and at the supply houses about issues with YJ. I think most all of us hope YJ turns around.
Just old of curiosity why to you
"And in my stance to back up YJ i guess it comes off as me hating Digicool "
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I hated my analogs and knew they sucked the whole time and at the temps I would use gauges at (below 50ËšF) the Y/J are speced worse than the analogs!!!!
If they are more accurate like you say why don't they change the specs
Ask your boss to incorporate your feelings on ethics into a slogan and post it on the trucks. Let see how your customers react.
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What don't you like about the testo 550?
Might help giving advice on what to get to replace them.
Fatstogey I have to respond to your comment about emotional decisions. You will never find anybody less emotional in their decision making than me. That is one of the reasons it takes time for me to make a buying decision. One of my words of advise to my children is to never make an emotional decision. IQ does not impress me what you do with it does. And for what little it is worth mine is 140.
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Your IQ only tells of an ability to learn. It doesn't mean that you have superior knowledge. Stereotype it to containers. A coffee cup is to an IQ of 10, where a 55 gallon drum is to an IQ of 165.
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Let me re phrase my self. I like them but im kinda disapointed about the trouble im having with the temp clamp. When i have the t1 and t2 temps show on the gauge. my suction line temp is way off cause i feel the pipe and its cold yet my clamp says 90 degrees. I need to call test and see what i can do to fix this issue just been so busy latley
However i have been looking at the digi cool 1600 they seem good and reliable. If i shell out 300 or more on gagues i expect not to have problems. The testos are nice but just kinda dissipointed u spend all that money and then something like that happens. I know it could be alot worse so im happy. After going to digital i cant goo back to analog love digital gauges
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Crispin Temp sensors that work like we expect are consumable IMO of course I'm not happy about that either. At least with the different choices you are considering they are clear cut. Since you prefer a digital gauge a second (go to) digital unit would be the best advice I could offer to you especially when you are busy like that. Personally I would not chose a unit that uses a standard type K-Thermocouple. The Y/J comes with either a 3ft or 12 ft standard thermocouple sensors. The natural degradation of the thermocouple over time and the fact that they are long antenna for EMF's bring me back to the times of using analog gauges with the adjustment screw, always screwing with them and doubting the reading every other use along with doing the same with my Fluke 52 and K-Thermocouples making SH and SC measurements. Of course if you are not happy with a particular OEM sensor you can buy alternative sensors for either unit that you prefer but the type of technology in the meter is something you are stuck with.
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