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It was a heat pump and had a perfect 15 foot lineset by chance so it ran and the led came on that said it was charged. I heard the charge assist is time consuming and unnecessary.

I was wondering if the American Standard version would be less money because these things are way to expensive to install regularly. But they are nice.
Time Consuming??

Just set the dipswitch, hit the charge assist button and by the time your tools are cleaned up and ready to go it will tell you whether its under or overcharged or just right.
 
Trane's coils are a ***** to clean and get dirty a lot more often because of the spines sticking out of the coils. Charge more to clean them but don't service them anymore. To much of a hassle. Thank you very much.
 
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You'll find out that Trane has many different pricing structures for contractors. It's understandable that a contractor that sells $25K a year pay more than a $500K contractor. The differences can be massive, so needless to say many new Trane dealers won't stay Trane dealers unless they make no profit or get tired of paying close to retail for equipment and quit.
I have seen problems out of Trane. Have seen builders models with grounded compressors before and after the 5 year warranty. They're just an A/C unit, not God's gift to Air Conditioning. Incidently, several years ago we had a Trane unit that the Spine-Fin gluing machine ran out of glue to glue the fins to the aluminum tubing. The head pressure was high, they tried to say it was obviously something in the lines....for some reason I touched the Spine-Fin and it spun on the tube.....Uh....you think this might be a problem?? The scary part is that it passed all the factory inspections etc. WOW! They gave me a $100 labor allowance to cover several hours of replacement, freon, filter drier and everything! I actually like the idea of Spine-Fin. Carrier tried it and failed. G.E. perfected it with old 1936? technology. Funny how the best well known A/C units technology came out of Nazi Germany. I have also wondered if chemical cleanings on Trane coils affect the glue? Trane recommends water only to clean the coil, and a light propane torch to burn out the grass and debris....Anyone?
 
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I hate Tranes. They've got everybody fooled into thinking they're the cat's meow when their quality is just as good as anyone's now-a-days. But that's what co.'s do with their marketing efforts.

What's troubling is not that HO's are fooled by all the hype but that HVAC techs are as well.
 
I agree, when Trane was a privately owned company, they rocked....they sold out and multiple new owners and other influences they are no different or more reliable than anyone else.

I saw their latest commercial this morning, camera looks out the window and all you can see is this huge condenser. Don't they have the R and D department anymore to use technology to make them smaller?
 
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If they want to market themselves as the cat's pajamas then they need to back it up with their product.

Unfortunately Trane just doesn't do this. Anyone a little bit educated in this field can see that.
 
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Coil Cleaning

Trane's coils are a ***** to clean and get dirty a lot more often because of the spines sticking out of the coils. Charge more to clean them but don't service them anymore. To much of a hassle. Thank you very much.
The Water Saber Pro was designed to take the pain out of cleaning a TRANE. It's now a lot easier to clean a Trane XL than any other a/c using this tool.
No bull
http://www.watersaber.com
 
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They are definitely no more reliable than any other piece of junk.

The two compressor model is totally cool though, if it only were but cheaper.

You don't get 100/50 performance out of Goodman 2 stage or any other for that matter
 
You have to hang by your feet from a cherry picker to change the compressor.

We just installed our first xl20i and I must say it is impressive. Especially the fact that it can operate at such a low capacity compared to, it would seem the copeland scroll unloading compressor models.

I know it must have its weak spots that make it an expensive piece of junk like eveything else, anyone with experience care to comment?

Did I mention it is expensive? We are just barely a dealer and usually use Comfortmaker.
No access through rear panel to solder anything compressor-related.
 
We just installed our first xl20i and I must say it is impressive. Especially the fact that it can operate at such a low capacity compared to, it would seem the copeland scroll unloading compressor models.

I know it must have its weak spots that make it an expensive piece of junk like eveything else, anyone with experience care to comment?

Did I mention it is expensive? We are just barely a dealer and usually use Comfortmaker.
I don't care much for Trane myself anymore. Servicing them can be a real pain, such as coil cleaning and if you have to extract a compressor, you better be good by hanging from your feet! lol. I think Trane at one time was a very good unit, but now my first choice would be a RUUD or RHEEM followed by Bryant products including Day & Night.

These seem to be really reliable here in the Sonoran Desert of Arizona. Trane is a bit like Mercedes Benz, or at least they used to be. Expensive and you used to get the very best, but when it came time for service, it will cost you $300 just to have the hood opened! I know because I love my Mercedes Benz Diesels and although I DIY most of my own work on my cars, there are those occasions when I have to go for help and I know it is going to cost me!
 
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great units if you like hot glue and styrofoam holding the outdoor coils together.......:rolleyes:

might be great units when they work properly but just not service friendly, as a self employed tech i love seeing them when i walk into the back yard.$$$$$:LOL:
 
Trane's coils are a ***** to clean and get dirty a lot more often because of the spines sticking out of the coils. Charge more to clean them but don't service them anymore. To much of a hassle. Thank you very much.
If you can't clean a Spinefin in 2 minutes with a garden hose you're doing something wrong. The junk just rinses right off like nothing. The first time I saw one it looked scary, but now I love the Spinefin.
 
Who Bashed 'em? They corrode and rust just like the rest on the Coast of S.C.! ;) I serviced a three year old Trane last week. The condenser cabinet and inside looked like Pooo! I'm no big fan of the needle coils either.
Here on the island the Spinefin coils just won't die. It's wierd- they're aluminum like everything else but they just don't corrode.

I don't install or rep Trane, but I can't really think of any gripes.
 
Here on the island the Spinefin coils just won't die. It's wierd- they're aluminum like everything else but they just don't corrode.

I don't install or rep Trane, but I can't really think of any gripes.
You're correct, the Spinefin coil in this one looked good (and I can't say I've seen a Trane Coil in bad condition) but the painted/powder coated cabinet and copper parts (reversing valve coil has carbon steel) looked pretty bad for a 3 year old. I've never seen a Trane Coil come apart like the fin coils! I'd just expect better life out of the stamped metal parts. How much more would it cost to stamp them out of Stainless Steel?
 
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