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Dear Experts,
I Have a project site with 460vac/60hz power source.
And I received new split AC unit with cooling capacity of 10TR, 380vac/60hz power rating.

If I run this new unit on 460vac/60hz, what will be the effects.

I am looking for experts' elaboration.

Thanks, in advance!
Santos
 
Engineer is actually the title for site operators in some places.

So the OP is likely an onsite HVAC technician.

We all have to start somewhere. At least he has the forethought to ask the question....I applaud him for that.
 
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If I had to take a wild guess, I’d say the effects would likely be smoke and fireworks.

Do you have any additional info? I would check the documentation to see if it can be wired for 460.
 
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Engineer is actually the title for site operators in some places.

So the OP is likely an onsite HVAC technician.

We all have to start somewhere. At least he has the forethought to ask the question....I applaud him for that.
I agree
With 380 + 10% and 460-10% it’s real close!

Enough for this discussion.
 
I agree
With 380 + 10% and 460-10% it’s real close!

Enough for this discussion.
But is he willing to gamble that the local utility will always maintain the voltage abnormally low in the acceptable range? Right now somebody may be thinking "Oh sh!t, let me turn that up...".
 
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But is he willing to gamble that the local utility will always maintain the voltage abnormally low in the acceptable range? Right now somebody may be thinking "Oh sh!t, let me turn that up...".
460v can be 540v at night in an industrial park or when a company installs its own undersized outdoor transformers.

Sincerely,

William McCormick
 
Here's a dumb theoretical type question...

What if one were to try to compensate by lowering the frequency? Could this 380V motor possibly live a long and happy life, at say something like 480V and 45HZ? My thinking is that the higher voltage will try to make it spin faster, but by lowering the frequency you could maybe balance things out to where they should be?

Am I onto something here, or should I step away from my crack pipe?
 
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Breaker will trip before smoke, given thermal mass of that size motor. Reset breaker a few times, then smoke <G>

Raise, not lower frequency to run at 460.

If the 380v was at 50 Hz, 460v is just right. But OP did say 60 Hz rating, so breaker trip, large current spikes when core saturates.
 
Here's a dumb theoretical type question...

What if one were to try to compensate by lowering the frequency? Could this 380V motor possibly live a long and happy life, at say something like 480V and 45HZ? My thinking is that the higher voltage will try to make it spin faster, but by lowering the frequency you could maybe balance things out to where they should be?

Am I onto something here, or should I step away from my crack pipe?

Putting it on a drive with a low enough HZ setting should allow the voltage to reduce to the point that the motor MIGHT survive but it’s not the way to fix this issue & will introduce further issues. http://people.ece.umn.edu/users/riaz/animations/imvfmovie.html
A step down transformer, unit motor(s)/transformer(s) replacement, or unit replacement with correct voltage rating are your (best) choices.
 
Close enough for hand grenades
My daughter-in-law was losing electronic musical instruments at her school. I checked the voltage, and it was over 130 volts. I checked the 240 volts, and it was 255. I installed an AC system there that is over the maximum voltage allowed. She called the utility company, and they lowered the voltage right away. The unit I installed has been in for nine years and has never had a problem other than a cap. I installed a 440 cap, just in case. It is a heat pump that runs all year; I find that the caps tend to go at about seven years on heat pumps and 12 on AC systems.

Sincerely,

William McCormick
 
There is a few options for this,
First of all 380 volts seems to European voltage
The 60 cycles is good, you can get a transformer to step down from 480 v 3 phase to 380 v 3 phase.

You may also be able to use a smoothing transformer for this, its basically a 3 phase choke.

Its a 100 volt drop, whatever you decide it will probably have to be ordered, this is probably the safest and most reliable way to do this.

As far as frequency or hertz, if you run it at a lower frequency it will heat up and possibly burn
In other words if you had a motor rated at 25 hz and ran it on the same voltage at 60hz it will run fine, but if you have a 60 hz motor and run it at 40 hz it will heat up guaranteed!

When we speak of hertz or cycles this is frequency or repetition of a hi low cycle , lower hertz ( a slower cycle ) will run motors hotter because its a longer hi low cycle in duration


If you are using a VFD this is basically controlling current flow and cycles to an electric motor and possibly voltage, hence the motor is protected from overheating because it is inherently being monitored/ controlled by the VFD.

in some VFD’s it’s actually pulsed DC power applied to the motor that simulates the rise and fall ( cycles ) of AC power. Mini splits are made like this with an inverter driving a compressor, the compressor can actually reach 125% capacity due to the inverter technology and I believe can go down as low as 20% capacity , some models.

Basic electrical theory is DC current is directly proportional to voltage, so as voltage rises so does current.
on AC applications its inversely proportional as Voltage drops, current increases and vice versa to a point.
 
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