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Nitrogen bottle

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#1 ·
I am looking for a bottle and reg to test, what is practical and economical? All my stuff is relatively small.
 
#2 ·
HVAC tools and test equipment are never affordable. That's why it's such an expensive trade.
Are you at homeowner or a technician? If you are a technician then we are in the wrong section and need to have this moved so that we can discuss technical things.
 
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#3 ·
You can pick up both at a welding supplier. I believe 20 cubic feet is the smallest bottle available, really not used in hvac. 40 and 80 cubic feet are the "norm"
 
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#4 ·
We can move this, I dont have a problem with that. An 80 isnt a problem for me, I own a dozen other gas bottles. A member here from Holt forum recommended this site as a good fit for me. I have read some here, still not sure about who what and where and the forum system with all that is complex to say the least.
I have a tech has been doing my work, everyone is retiring and this is something I should have learned, I was busy the other day while my bud was trouble shooting and it make me realize I dont know squat and am aprehensive about my ability to do the calculations.
I am in maintenance and an owner and been career trade worker for 40 yerars, not a diy, I will come up to speed shortly. Member of a couple pro forums, welding and electric. Miles of piping.
One of my walkins, this one is 3 hp. We have 2 more 1 hp we built in house,,, or rebuilt, replaced wit new equipment.
Tossed the thermo for electric, runs on 240V all set to use welder outlets and cords.
My helper gassing it up and then I wired service for it.
 

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#5 ·
Sounds like your a technician to me. I'll ask to have this moved to the appropriate section.
Also once you have at least five posts I'd recommend applying for pro membership as we are severely limited in how much technical information we can discuss on the open side of the forum.
 
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Personally I always use 40 cubic foot tanks because that is all the HVAC suppliers stock and if you have to go to the welding gas supply store it is at least twice as expensive if not more
 
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We don't discuss pricing on the open forum.
It looks like you have your five posts now so you can apply for pro membership and then we can discuss pretty much anything on the locked side.
I would by a tank at your local supply house because it will already be labeled for whatever gas supplier they use and that way you know for sure they will accept it for exchange when you need a refill. It's generally not cheap but it's a one-time purchase and then it's a very small cost every time you need to exchange it.
 
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Thank you for the courtesy recommendation. Letting me bring a little rated content will keep my interest. Sheer study is too tedious for me. I have a big ole pic file but they are old, lots took a shot when we did it or did a lot before the advent of the digi camera.
 
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The pictures were simply pictures. Made up this cart I can shove it all on and cover with a shirt and tuck away safely under a bench. I have 2 sets ga and connectors but was going after the nitrogen stuff if its something I need.
I have 3 units only leak I ever had was setting one up and had crack in the seat of the expansion valve and we got new or maybe even fixed it. Have had a couple fans quit and burned up a contactor when I forgot it in outage.
 

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#17 ·
The most common size nitrogen in HVAC is 40lb. Most HVAC suppliers carry the 20-40-60 sizes. Don't buy a tank from an HVAC supplier unless you have to - it'll be more expensive.

You can sometimes find old bottles for sale on craigslist or offer up. Be careful, all nitrogen tanks have to be re-tested every few years and some places charge a fee for exchanging an out-of-date tank. Regulators can be had on Amazon for cheap, you probably don't need anything fancy for occasional use.
 
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Yeah it should all be the dry type. Our supply house refills come from the welding gas suppliers.
 
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#21 ·
AFAIK "wet" nitrogen isn't a thing. According to Airgas, nitrogen comes either as a dry compressed gas or liquid nitrogen. Nitrogen gas tanks are labeled with the UN number (UN1066) and other gub'mint required information. Nitrogen gas tanks use a CGA-580 tank fitting and liquid nitrogen uses a CGA-295 so in theory you can't mix them up.

I'm not familiar with how they refill empty tanks, I don't know if they vacuum them to remove contaminants or just top them off. If you're getting nitrogen with moisture in it then I'd suggest a new supplier.

Edit: Anyone still use carbon dioxide for HVAC/R?
 
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