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#42 ·
Think Big when installing Air Filter Grilles .... and think Big when doing Liquid Filter Dryers
 
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#43 ·
Dacman said:
I like technology and variable speed products , comfort is better than simple on off, which is what I’ve reduced my system to.

I was more curious about the refrigerants , I guess we’re stuck with 410 till they drive the price over the edge?
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If you are in the trade, why are you worried about the price? You can charge your system at cost, just buy a cylinder for yourself.
 
#44 ·
If you mean 053 then no; almost always too small for residential AC. I think they max at one ton.

Even an 083 is questionable to me. A 163 is good to five or maybe six tons so it covers every residential system.

A clean filter drier has almost no pressure drop - so double almost nothing is still pretty darned low. That's why I don't see the issue with two adequately sized driers in series. And plus; you get double the moisture removal ability besides.

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Hurst11 said:
Would installing one that is quite a bit too big be advantageous in that scenario? Just on a pressure drop frame of mind or just a standard 063 drier prolly be just fine.
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Y’all carry on without me.

Goodman and Amana suggestions? Drier issues?

I’ve ordered the Trane two stage and will buy a jug of 410 or two to keep on hand .

Goodman is junk.
 
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Dacman said:
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Goodman and Amana suggestions?
Goodman is junk.
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lmao

True story, fellas at the metal fab shop I use always said that. I went in to pick up my order a few weeks back and there he was behind the counter at a Gooman dealer selling Gooman.
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#48 ·
Goodman may be junk but Trane couldn't keep a compressor running at my NJ house for more than a year. With a Copeland installed in the Trane unit it did run OK for a few years. The Goodman junk I replaced it with while downsizing has never missed a beat for all the years since.

Please keep us posted on how the Trane works out for you.

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Dacman said:
Y’all carry on without me.

Goodman and Amana suggestions? Drier issues?

I’ve ordered the Trane two stage and will buy a jug of 410 or two to keep on hand .

Goodman is junk.
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Poodle Head Mikey said:
Goodman may be junk but Trane couldn't keep a compressor running at my NJ house for more than a year. With a Copeland installed in the Trane unit it did run OK for a few years. The Goodman junk I replaced it with while downsizing has never missed a beat for all the years since.

Please keep us posted on how the Trane works out for you.

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What caused all the issues with the trane?
I too have had more problems with trane (as rare as they are it's surprising) than Goodman.
 
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#50 ·
Dacman said:
Y’all carry on without me.

Goodman and Amana suggestions? Drier issues?

I’ve ordered the Trane two stage and will buy a jug of 410 or two to keep on hand .

Goodman is junk.
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My two stage units have been running without issue for 10 years and 8 years. I was hoping my XL950 would fail so it would be upgraded to the 1050, but no such luck. I kinda like having the scrolling pictures anyway...
I get a bit of refrigerant hammer when the outside temp drops a bit and the system is still in cooling mode. Other than that, they've been performing quite well.

NOW, with that said, I have been extremely unhappy with the quality control of the equipment lately. I believe Trane's products are some of the best on the residential market, unfortunately their quality control is in the dumpster lately. I believe a lot of the gripes most have with the product failures are because they don't fully inspect the equipment before accepting. Most installers don't look twice, they just throw them in. I remove every unit out of the cardboard case and check for leaks, damage, and incorrect assembly before the unit ever gets to the job. Sad that this is now the norm.

I agree though Goodman is garbage, Janijunk as we used to say... Their engineering is not good. Doing a simple maintenance is very time consuming because they have to use 5000 screws on the shitty designed cage of the outside unit. In my experience I have the vast majority of repair calls on Goodman equipment. Hell, just got a call this morning for a Goodman gas pack not cooling. His upstairs Trane that I installed is humming along just fine. Goodman unit is probably 6-8 years old, and has had a couple repairs already. Typically calls I get on Trane equipment are due to lack of maintenance or improper installation. I have very few warranty calls. Main warranty calls with Trane these days, like every other brand, is the evaporator coils #1, and their WiFi thermostats #2.
 
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I have no idea. The Trane unit was left of from a DOT job. I bought all the equipment as a package for a substantial discount. The DOT changed the project - deleted AC for the locker room in return for something I can't remember - maybe marble thresholds or something like that. So I had the condensing unit sitting in the shop waiting for a home for the next year or two.

One day I installed it for my second floor system. Started and ran well all summer. Need spring the compressor was bad. Over-the-counter to Trane and the next compressor ran well all summer. Next spring the compressor was bad. Trane exchanged it under warranty again and it ran well all summer. New spring the compressor was bad. I was at Trane for another new one and I was joking around about all the bad compressors. I had done all the work and I know it was impeccable - so what else is it but the compressors.

Oh; I forgot - the failures were all different. Stuck, no pump, burnout. Friggin job looked like a test lab - I am monitoring everything possible by the second year.

So anyway the Trane manager overhears my conversation at the counter and denies further warranty. He and I go back and forth and he says: "I don't give a damn about warranty! You're Paying for this one! You obviously don't know how to install a compressor right!"

"Shove it up your ass pal! Your piece of shit compressors obviously aren't worth a puddle of cold piss."

That was Lyon Conklyn in Delaware - not Tozour Trane.

Stopped at United Refrigeration, grabbed a Copeland, and it never missed a beat in that Trane condensing unit as long as I owned it - and was still running the day I changed out the condensing unit for a 1.5 ton Goodman HP. That 1.5 Goodman has been there for years now.

Trane effed me out of $800. on another warranty compressor years later too. I wouldn't let Trane lick my ass on a bar bet.

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R600a said:
What caused all the issues with the trane?
I too have had more problems with trane (as rare as they are it's surprising) than Goodman.
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Poodle Head Mikey said:
I have no idea. The Trane unit was left of from a DOT job. I bought all the equipment as a package for a substantial discount. The DOT changed the project - deleted AC for the locker room in return for something I can't remember - maybe marble thresholds or something like that. So I had the condensing unit sitting in the shop waiting for a home for the next year or two.

One day I installed it for my second floor system. Started and ran well all summer. Need spring the compressor was bad. Over-the-counter to Trane and the next compressor ran well all summer. Next spring the compressor was bad. Trane exchanged it under warranty again and it ran well all summer. New spring the compressor was bad. I was at Trane for another new one and I was joking around about all the bad compressors. I had done all the work and I know it was impeccable - so what else is it but the compressors.

Oh; I forgot - the failures were all different. Stuck, no pump, burnout. Friggin job looked like a test lab - I am monitoring everything possible by the second year.

So anyway the Trane manager overhears my conversation at the counter and denies further warranty. He and I go back and forth and he says: "I don't give a damn about warranty! You're Paying for this one! You obviously don't know how to install a compressor right!"

"Shove it up your ass pal! Your piece of shit compressors obviously aren't worth a puddle of cold piss."

That was Lyon Conklyn in Delaware - not Tozour Trane.

Stopped at United Refrigeration, grabbed a Copeland, and it never missed a beat in that Trane condensing unit as long as I owned it - and was still running the day I changed out the condensing unit for a 1.5 ton Goodman HP. That 1.5 Goodman has been there for years now.

Trane effed me out of $800. on another warranty compressor years later too. I wouldn't let Trane lick my ass on a bar bet.

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They are definitely one of the worst for warranty coverage.
 
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#53 ·
Dacman said:
Y’all carry on without me.

Goodman and Amana suggestions? Drier issues?

I’ve ordered the Trane two stage and will buy a jug of 410 or two to keep on hand .

Goodman is junk.
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Goodman has the same compressor, contactor, caps as everyone else. How are they junk? The cheap installer hired after the homeowner purchased online makes it junk!
 
#54 ·
It's crazy that we all have such different experiences with different brands in different regions. I swear to you all, well over 75% of my repair calls are Goodman equipment, and that includes any warranty calls I may get on Trane equipment that I exclusively install.
Trane part supply house is very easy to deal with. Sometimes I have my wife get the new warranty part or drop the old one, and they tell her no worries we got the paper work from here.
Goodman, not so much. The guys at the supply house are pleasant to deal with from my local branch but the warranty process is much more strict.

I'm not married to Trane, if there was bullet proof brand I would sell it in a heartbeat. The last thing I want to do is go back on a warranty call.
 
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mgenius33 said:
It's crazy that we all have such different experiences with different brands in different regions. I swear to you all, well over 75% of my repair calls are Goodman equipment, and that includes any warranty calls I may get on Trane equipment that I exclusively install.
Trane part supply house is very easy to deal with. Sometimes I have my wife get the new warranty part or drop the old one, and they tell her no worries we got the paper work from here.
Goodman, not so much. The guys at the supply house are pleasant to deal with from my local branch but the warranty process is much more strict.

I'm not married to Trane, if there was bullet proof brand I would sell it in a heartbeat. The last thing I want to do is go back on a warranty call.
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Is that because National home builders have purchase agreements with Goodman and they are put in by companies getting paid 6k to duct and set equipment all in 2.5 days?

Cause that is the exact reason here…


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#56 ·
It just came to me - the NOS units from Grainger were WeatherKing. But the identical same configuration as that early 1960's Lennox my parents had had. The Lennox was a faded tan color and the WeatherKings were sort of an industrial looking green.

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Poodle Head Mikey said:
One time I put new AC in my house. It was a Coleman. My parents has a 1963 Lennox horizontal discharge condensing unit and the evap and standing pilot gas furnace it had come with. My mother then started to work on my father that 'the kid' had new AC - why didn't they? All his reasoning that their AC worked perfectly well and always had went nowhere so he gave me the greenlight. The equipment came and the indoor part seemed more important so I just set the condensing unit box out here the old Lennox. My mother asked what it was.

The new outdoor unit.

It can't be - it higher than the (raised) patio.

That's how big they are now.

No; I want one just like the old one.

No can do - they aren't made like that any more.

If you really loved me you would get me what would make me happy . . .

Dad; you better straighten this out - it's your problem; not mine.

So the AC unit just sat there. One day a few months later I was in a W. W. Grainger where I used to spend a stack of money. I was out in the warehouse looking for something or other and saw some boxes against a far wall.

What's in this boxes back there? Maybe that's what we're looking for?

No; that just some old AC units we can't get rid of.

Why not?

Too old to sell and too old to send back. Nobody wants that old shit.

Let's take a look.

Why? Do you want it? <g>

So we open a box and it is The Exact configuration as that old horizontal-blow Lennox of my parents'. I forget the brand now but it was a sticker. I can't remember the deal now but the manager either gave them to me outright or maybe I gave him a hundred for all of them. The old Lennox had a cast name thing - held on with little push pins and clips. I heat gunned off the new unit's name sticker, took off the old Lennox badge, drilled holes, and attached the Lennox badge to the new unit.

So I am pretty damned chuffed! I mean really; what are the chances of having pulled this off?

So I put the job together and my mother says: It's about time! What took so long? I told you all you had to do was get the right unit! I thought you know what the hell you are doing!

And so far as I can recall that old / OEM whateveritwas pretend-Lennox unit was there happily chugging away until my father sold the house. <g>

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Poodle Head Mikey said:
It just came to me - the NOS units from Grainger were WeatherKing. But the identical same configuration as that early 1960's Lennox my parents had had. The Lennox was a faded tan color and the WeatherKings were sort of an industrial looking green.

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That's interesting these days weather King is Rheem and I really like them..
 
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#58 ·
Window shakers. I dont think they manufacture a reliable piece of equipment anymore. At least with window shakers your whole house aint down.. and you can buy a few xtra and just change out the bad ones.
 
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Well I will be the outlier here… I will be upgrading to a UA20 inverter condenser with R96 natural gas furnace.

I plan on setting mine up differently than we do in my area so it is not a horizontal, easy to work on or swap if I change my mind later.
I’ll have furnace in a dongle position, Sheet metal plenum underneath and coil in flow position with supply plenum above. I’ve seen some pictures on here set up like that never in person.
 
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