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Acceptable Wages

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#1 ·
Do you think we are paid fairly in this trade?

Do you think as a trade we are underpaid compared to
others such as plumbers, electricians, etc?



What is your min wage you would accept in this field?
 
#10 ·
I wish they would license us or meet the same requirements as a plumber or electrician, I am guessing they are paid more because joe blow that just graduated from hvac school can print out business cards, start a business and charge half than everyone else driving the rates down for the industry. If we needed maybe proper licensing above EPA, maybe that would help?
 
#6 ·
In SD and in LA/OC the fitters/plumbers have a separate contract than the service techs. They get paid more. Its BS but when ever people try to fix the disparity the old fitters piss and moan, which seems to be all fitters are good at.

Personally I think most HVAC techs are underpaid. For some reason employers, at least in my area, dont think that techs are worth the money but a plumber who only knows shit pipe is worth more.
 
#8 ·
The plumber UA here is a different local with different wages and I believe their construction side is on par with our A guys as far as rate per hour.

I am as well and recently took a non union position that was paying about 8 bucks over scale with medically fully covered. I'm going to keep my book open, but I'm a bit shocked how much I am seeing union 638 shops looking to hire guys they can get away with paying 20-30 bucks an hour, while non union shops are opening up their wallets and competing with union wages and benefits. At some point I think I just want to open up a 1 man show + a helper, or partner up.
 
#14 ·
Residential is under paid as a general rule simply due to the hours and unpredictability. Many a man has missed large periods of their children's lives. I could not imagine having young children as a residential service tech - would require a special woman...special relationship.
 
#15 ·
This is why you need unions to set/maintain the better wages and quality of life, even the non-union workers benefit. When the unions go, the wages/working conditions will collapse.

You also need to weed out the hacks that lower the wages and standards, with licensing, accountability & required continuous education.

Local municipalities pretty much let anything fly in residential because they lack skill, training, accountability and resources.

I don't think I'm underpaid, but the perception by homeowners is I charge too much.
They think nothing of paying a plumber what amounts to $200-$300 hours, same for an electrician.
They think nothing of paying $150-$350 for an office visit to a doctor (maybe because some/most/all is covered by insurance) for a simple 10 minute 'follow up' appointment.
Ironically we're held to a higher standard than a doctor-Compare the scenarios

Scenario #1
-You visit a doctor for an ailment. You wait and then in 10 minutes you get, "It seems like this. Take this, If you're not better in a week come back" (fee for office visit/co-pay, plus prescription).
-You don't feel better, you go back. Now the doctor wants some labs done (fee for office visit/co-pay, plus lab fees and more of your time).
-Follow up appointment (fee for office visit/co-pay). Now he wants to run some tests.
-You go get the tests (time/fee/co-pay)
-Then you go back again for another follow up visit (time/fee/co-pay), and we'll say the problem is identified/solved, whatever.
This is basic body troubleshooting dictated by best practices, insurance re-imbursement, etc.
At no time is the doctor told he doesn't know what he's doing, it took 4 visits to solve the problem, I'm not paying, I'm suing you, etc. Nor do you go in for a headache and the doctor prescribes immediate brain surgury.

Scenario #2 Basic service call
-No cooling.
-You check everything out. YOUR initial checkout of everything doesn't conclusively find a readily identifiable problem, but some minor issues that you correct. You tell the customer what you did, what you checked, your conclusion. Give them a bill (it's too high, of course), collect (hopefully), go on your way. Perfectly normal troubleshooting scenario-doing your due diligence and not conclusively finding a problem.
-They call you back, say a week later, no cooling. You check everything out again, and the actual problem has shown itself, checkable and provable. You fix it, present a bill. Now the static starts. Why didn't you find it the first time? Why do I have to pay again? They go online to ask other to see if you did your job correctly or if they were ripped off.

Even though you did the same basic things a doctor did, their perception is completely different.
 
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