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Something new occured to me - could there be something inside the pipe? That could conceivably increase the velocity through the obstruction and cause the howling.

I once had a new piece of black iron pipe that had a piece of paper inside it that interfered with the gas flow.
On another occasion a maintenance man used too much pipe dope and blocked the pipe.
 
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Kdean1 I tough about same thing. I ask a guy when he was there. He claims that pressures will show us that, if something would be stock in a pipe or on the gas valve. What you think about that? I will get someone else, if I have to. Just to open pipe up and check it out. If this guy don’t want to do it. By now this noise is driving my wife crazy and that is not a good thing.
 
Have you seen a flame that looks like this?

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Kdean1 I tough about same thing. I ask a guy when he was there. He claims that pressures will show us that, if something would be stock in a pipe or on the gas valve. What you think about that? I will get someone else, if I have to. Just to open pipe up and check it out. If this guy don’t want to do it. By now this noise is driving my wife crazy and that is not a good thing.
The pressures may remain the same but the velocity can change. Get someone else. Was he not willing to take the time to remove a few pipes to take a look?
The burner behavior is telling us there is something seriously wrong.

You can use this link to see if there is someone close to you with combustion analysis training.
https://www.myhomecomfort.org/find-a-contractor/

Please let us know what is found.
 
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I can’t really make out anything from the picture you post. Flame looks uniform on all 6 burners. Blue and not rolling out or anything like that.

Please explain on what you trying to show.

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The pressures may remain the same but the velocity can change. Get someone else. Was he not willing to take the time to remove a few pipes to take a look?
The burner behavior is telling us there is something seriously wrong.

You can use this link to see if there is someone close to you with combustion analysis training.
https://www.myhomecomfort.org/find-a-contractor/

Please let us know what is found.
He kind a did not think it was necessary as he sad that pressures are fine. Also what you mean by burner behavior. Picture posted is not from me. All my burners look perfectly blue and uniform when they are on
 
I can’t really make out anything from the picture you post. Flame looks uniform on all 6 burners. Blue and not rolling out or anything like that.

Please explain on what you trying to show.

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Look at the far left burner. See the blue flame inside the burner, where as the ones next to it are dark inside. This is from a flash back and it is burning at the orifice. When this happens it causes a odd noise that sometimes sounds kinda like a whistle. When I asked about a video this is what I was looking for to see if yours was doing this. What I heard from your posted recording sounded very much like a normal inshot burner so without the visual it is hard to tell what is going on.
 
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Look at the far left burner. See the blue flame inside the burner, where as the ones next to it are dark inside. This is from a flash back and it is burning at the orifice. When this happens it causes a odd noise that sometimes sounds kinda like a whistle. When I asked about a video this is what I was looking for to see if yours was doing this. What I heard from your posted recording sounded very much like a normal inshot burner so without the visual it is hard to tell what is going on.[/QUOTE]

Ok. I will post another video when I get home. But all burners burn like the one on the right not like the first one you pointing out to. There is no flame in any of them.
 
Another thought is I have heard inducers squeak or whistle after the burners light. It is sometimes faint enough to get masked by other noises and since it starts when the burners light you have to listen close to see where it is coming from.
 
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Another thought is I have heard inducers squeak or whistle after the burners light. It is sometimes faint enough to get masked by other noises and since it starts when the burners light you have to listen close to see where it is coming from.
They already replaced inducer and burners orifice under warranty. Sorry forgot to mention that


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Here are some pictures as requested and a video of the burners. Its hard to pick up noise with all the background noise when furnace door is open. My previous video is at one of the registers right above the furnace. that is the best spot to pick that noise up.

video link: https://youtu.be/LFL-2VALIco
 

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Take a video of the furnace running with the burner cover on. It sounds totally normal with the door off for a new unit with inshot burners.

Wow, that is a huge capacity unit, 120k btu and with zoning, I hope you got the infinity zoning package. They should have talked you into the MN7 modulating furnace as that is the quietest and more capable in zoning applications.

J

You must have a house of glass. Or mansion.
 
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Take a video of the furnace running with the burner cover on. It sounds totally normal with the door off for a new unit with inshot burners.

Wow, that is a huge capacity unit, 120k btu and with zoning, I hope you got the infinity zoning package. They should have talked you into the MN7 modulating furnace as that is the quietest and more capable in zoning applications.

J

You must have a house of glass. Or mansion.
I have io controls zoning system with esp, that actually works very well. It modulates dampers to relief pressure if it need to, it also allowes controls like keeping furnace in 1st stage until at list two zones calls. Has compacity controls as well. Very nice control board if you ask me. I wish I would done infinity furnace but I did not and have performance furnace so I’m stuck with it, at list I was smart enough to get two stage ac with it as well. I’m in suburbs of Chicago and house is about 3500sqft with 3 floors, tall ceilings and two floors entrences. calc actually came back with 120btu and 4.5 to 5ton system. Did you have a chance to watch my orginal video that I posted previously?
 
Yes I listened to both of them, did not hear anything abnormal with either. Was your old furnace the same size and have imshot burner or was it ribbon style burners.
A 120k btu unit has a lot of volume of gas going thru the heat exchanger, even in low it is about 72k.

If you think the ductwork is amplifying the noise, I guess you could have the plenum acoustically lined to cut down on the amplification effect of the metal plenum.

J
 
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Yes I listened to both of them, did not hear anything abnormal with either. Was your old furnace the same size and have imshot burner or was it ribbon style burners.
A 120k btu unit has a lot of volume of gas going thru the heat exchanger, even in low it is about 72k.

If you think the ductwork is amplifying the noise, I guess you could have the plenum acoustically lined to cut down on the amplification effect of the metal plenum.

J
Yes old furnace was same size and same burners, single stage no zoning with highly undersized duct work. This one has all new duct work specifically design for zoning and this application. Honestly we did not start hearing this noise until few weeks back. It just came one day, that’s why this is so weird. You don’t think there is anything abnormal in my first video ? That howling / whistling noise ?
 
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