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York, Carrier, and Trane are my top brand recommendations. York has wonderful CSRs and their equipment is straightforward to work on. Carrier is about the easiest to work on and very reliable, but their customer service sucks. Trane is more complicated than it needs to be from service to CSRs, parts are hard to get, and they're priced like they're plated with gold - but overall reliable.

I probably wouldn't ever put my name on a Goodman or ICP unless it was a poor, little old lady with two pennies under her mattress.
So Carrier is one of your top recommendations, but you wouldn't put your name on an ICP install? I'm sure Carrier's marketing department loves it when people think that way, and it may have held water 20 years ago, when ICP was a separate company, but today, when you get down to it, they're basically the same equipment.

Breaking down the product line... The gas furnaces have different cabinet styles, but inside are basically identical to the Carrier versions. The Carrier and ICP air handlers, coils, package units, and builder outdoor units are exactly the same. The only real different products are the higher end outdoor units, and in my opinion the mainline ICP units are as good or better than the Carrier equivalents. They're really nicely constructed, quiet, standard with compressor blankets, multi speed fans, high/low pressure switches, comfort alert diagnostics, all of them except the 13 SEER are communicating, and better warranties than even the Carrier Infinity series. I would put them up against any other unit out there. Pretty soon they are going to get variable speed outdoor units from the Carrier line as well. The only other significant difference is that their "Observer" communicating system and accompanying zoning system uses different software than Carrier Infinity, and is a bit less sophisticated.

The main reason I chose to sell them is that the distributor treats me as a one man show much better than the "big name" distributors in town. They don't have the brand recognition Carrier does, and while I try to sell myself as a contractor rather than any particular brand of equipment, sometimes the customer will mention they haven't heard of Tempstar, or be wondering about the quality of a "no name" brand. However, 9 times out of 10 once I explain it to them, they have no problems with me putting it in, and are very happy with it once the install is done. I haven't had any widespread issues with them, but like all the manufacturers out there they aren't perfect and are capable of having issues too, especially if installed poorly.
 
It goes like this.


Amana = Cadillac's Goodman = Chevrolet

Trane = Cadillac's American Standard = Chevrolet

Carrier = Cadillac Payne = Chevrolet
American Standard and Trane are the same product (except the top on the i models).

Personally I think the first 20 years of Goodman they made junk. Then they started improving their products a bit so they were somewhat decent. Today there are comparable to basic units from a lot of brands. If they'd just watch who they sell to, as has been mentioned so many times.
 
Most of the Goodman I see around here is the GSX series. To be honest, I find those condensers to be pretty noisy and cheaply built. To be fair, that's true of the builder models in most lines though. On the other hand, he Amana branded stuff seems nice. I liked the Amana HVAC line before Goodman bought them, and it seems like Goodman adopted some of the good designs from that line, like the package units and the 90+ furnaces. I considered selling them but the main deterrent is the distributor in the area. They don't seem to care who gets their hands on those units. I refuse on principle to do business with a place like that, even if the equipment is good.
 
My company in FL does a lot of Goodman. We seem to have good luck with them. Most of our warranty returns are other brands. Rheem has been a issue with AHU coils lately. Reiterating what others have said and based on personal experience, it comes down to the install. Most importantly the startup process. If not charged correctly there will be issues down the road, no matter what the brand.
 
I have my beef but wont post it on this form! I will express this! I agree with the first statement, sell to whomever and the brand hurts. But when the steel is thinned out, things are engineered to just handle the stress load with no margin of error things will break. Is it the consumers fault or our fault? If we refuse to sell the junk and demand better then we will get better equipment. Or if the consumer would insist on better equipment. But when the price is I want cheap you get cheap! So don't cry in my Cereal when the S**t breaks. We have a large apartment complex under maintenance. We did not do the install. The units are 1 year and 5 months old or (about 1 1/2 years old for the folks in the Yucca Valley). Out of 115 units we have replaced over 90 duel Caps. I see a flaw there! The brand! well who cares!
 
Installation, installation, installation is key. Although not my "ideal" brand, I will say that Goodman's are the easiest to install. Simple controls and functions makes it one of the easiest brands to service. TXV's are easy to change. They can also achieve 14 SEER without a TXV, if a larger evap coil is used.

On the flip side, yes they are loud and use thinner gauge metal.

So, they're not the first option I present to potential clients, but if that's all they can afford, I wouldn't hesitate to install one.
 
Everyone has their opinions for their own reasons but if I was given a choice of any manufacturer's system for free to install in my own house I would choose Goodman. They'come a long way in quality through the years & they've even got their new systems quieter this year too. I can't speak for their gas systems but their heat pumps & straight airs last as long & are no more trouble prone than any brand other unit I work on if not better. Goodman is not a dealer based system so they have no control over who installs their equipment. Yes that in turn has hurt their reputation but it obviously has not hurt their sales which is the bottom line for any manufacturer . There's more Goodman's out there than any other brand so it's only logical you're going to see more Goodman failures. There's probably more unlicensed guys installing Goodman than any other brand so its only logical there are more poor installations of their equipment. I can only speak from my own experience in my little area of the world but reliability of their equipment has not been a problem for me. I can't leave out all the problems I had with their leaking evaporator coils but I think all manufacturers had that problem. Since they went to aluminum indoor coils I have not had any leaks at all in their 410A systems.
 
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Didn't read thru the whole deal BUT,
When a Co. comes back to the realization that the HEAT EXCHANGER IS TO BE BEHIND THE EVAPORATOR COIL on a package unit.....
That get's a big PLUS from ME.
Now,Their Unit entrance access for Line & Control wiring is another story.:gah:
 
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York has it behind also.
 
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We sell exclusively Lennox and have not had any of the issues listed in this thread. None of the stuff looks or feels cheaply made. Warranty repairs are very few or far between. We had issues with The SLP98 but those have been ironed out. I don't like their mini splits but that is the only Lennox product I actively avoid.

10 years ago we sold Goodman/amana also. They were ok. The inducer motors went out all the time. Half the replacements the company sent had cracked housings. They still do. Also, the housings on those Goodman units tend to rust really bad. We live close to the water so everything is more prone to rusting but those Goodman units would start to go within a year, regardless of installation location. It's weird to see a rusting unit in a customer's interior closet...

At the end of the day a lot of contractors will sell Goodman, Carrier and York because you can just waltz into any distributor and grab one. Selling premium equipment is something that a lot of contractor's can't/won't deal with.
 
Their higher end Air Handlers have built in TEV , not every model is field installed externally. They are the number one brand in sales in residential heating and cooling ( which is somewhat remarkable on the heating side as they do not have an oil line unlike some other brands )

To their credit they where the first company to offer a five year compressor and five year parts warranty, when pretty much every other manufacture where offering five year compressor and one year parts. When the other manufacture matched or even bettered Goodman or chance losing market share. Several years after that Goodman again raised the bar and was the first manufacture to offer a ten year compressor and ten year parts warranty, again the other manufacture had to at least match. Who benefited by these increased warranties,...the customer.
 
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No, I install some Goodman and its long term failure rate is pretty much the same percentage or less than anything I work on and I work on all of it.
Parts are inexpensive and reasonably available during and after warranty.
I would not sell it if it was of lower quality. I've been to the factory's for ICP, Nordyne, and Goodman, they run a quality operation equal or better that the others I have seen.
 
My little story with Goodman, I have two CPLJ 12 SEER R22 Goodman Split Heat Pumps that I installed in my residence in 2004 along with ductwork only problem I had was a bad defrost board couple years ago. ( vendor supplied defrost board, Interesting how manufactures brand gets dinged when their units fail, the part that fails most times they do not manufacture it. ) Never any leaks, still has original motors, compressors, parts, even the contactors. They get a pretty good work out as they run in cool and heat mode. Put in two 10 SEER R22 straight cooling Goodman split systems A/C with ductwork in my daughter house years ago, still going strong, no refrigerant leaks, all original parts, granted does not get the work out as a Heat Pump and the shorter cooling season here......but still. Started selling Goodman Heat Pumps approx. 20 years ago copper then aluminum coils, only had one leak and that was due to a hairline stress fracture due to shipping. Many of the units that where installed I know the history of the units as many Customers call for PM checks. Run Capacitors on newer units where another story thou ( again a vendor supplied part ) Put in some condensing furnaces also in that time frame, read the instructions very carefully and followed install guide as close as possible, ( as they are more complicated ) All in all I have had good luck with Goodman products in my small corner of the world.
 
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