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#141 ·
buckeye Fitter said:
Well I am just a dumb pipefitter but I knew it was a feed stock for something! ;0)

I will see if I can find the minutes for the congressional hearing in which I, yes I, was present at. If I can find it thru all of the BS I will post the EXACT verbiage.
Look, I could have died from phosegene years ago and spent 5 days in the hospital from an HCFC/boiler issue and according to the toxicology doctor at the hospital they brought in, ANY chemical we breath in this industry will or can cause harm due to long term exposure. Now, the argument is what is long term exposure? According to that doctor, if you work around it for your career. He stated that EVERYONE should wear a respirator when handling chemicals regardless of the toxicity and exposure. I don't care if I am using coil cleaner or handling refrigerant on a roof or a room I wear a full mask. I had to shave my beard but I have serious lung scarring and when I get a cold 75% of the time I catch some form of pneumonia and have to stay home. So please, don't make this argument on which refrigerant is safer. Second, These machines are like cars. I have had a bunch of Chevy's in my life and never had a problem but I have friends that the only driving they do is from the house to the shop and love Fords. Forrest Gump once said "life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what your going to get". Kind of that way in HVAC equipment....lol My point was that my OPINION is I would rather suck air than blow 134a, which by the way will be excluded from automobile's here in the near future because they have a higher leak rate than HVAC equipment and 134a is a greenhouse gas. Is it an ozone depleter, no. And my 30 year study was on low pressure machines both with CFC and HCFC's not just R123. Sorry if I misinterpreted it.

And the York guys that I referred to are old schoolers who preferred low pressure machines over the new stuff. I prefer fat brunetts, and my buddy likes skinny blondes. Again this is a forum for opinions that people can make educated decisions and should not be for would be know it all's who are never wrong. I learn alot on here but this has become more of a ***** session and insult forum. As a great wise man once said, thats all I've got to say about that!
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nice response I even like the little dig at me. "would be know it all" I'm not impressed that you happen to attended a congressional meeting just because something was stated there doesn't make it true. As to your post you tried to come across as if everything you said is fact so provide the links.

This is a FACT every major U.S Chiller manufacture other then TRANE to include JCI/York, McQuay, and Carrier either never made or no longer makes a chiller with R123. So as a customer if your stupid enough to swim up stream against the industry standard ( R134a ) and purchase a chiller with a known phase out date and a known MSDS posted health risk well then your either just plain stubborn or stupid maybe even both. again your right this is just a forum your welcome to do as you please.
 
#142 ·
This is a FACT every major U.S Chiller manufacture other then TRANE to include JCI/York, McQuay, and Carrier either never made or no longer makes a chiller with R123. So as a customer if your stupid enough to swim up stream against the industry standard ( R134a ) and purchase a chiller with a known phase out date and a known MSDS posted health risk well then your either just plain stubborn or stupid maybe even both. again your right this is just a forum your welcome to do as you please.[/QUOTE]

This is the fact US mortgage industry was giving mortgage to everyone who was showing any sign of life. So as a customer I would assume every one was swimming with the stream. Guess what, to be with the stream can be wrong.
 
#143 ·
vbhvac said:
This is a FACT every major U.S Chiller manufacture other then TRANE to include JCI/York, McQuay, and Carrier either never made or no longer makes a chiller with R123. So as a customer if your stupid enough to swim up stream against the industry standard ( R134a ) and purchase a chiller with a known phase out date and a known MSDS posted health risk well then your either just plain stubborn or stupid maybe even both. again your right this is just a forum your welcome to do as you please.
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This is the fact US mortgage industry was giving mortgage to everyone who was showing any sign of life. So as a customer I would assume every one was swimming with the stream. Guess what, to be with the stream can be wrong.[/QUOTE]

A sub prime, variable rate mortgage was never the industry standard for home mortgages but nice try. I believe that would called "a conventional mortgage" also called a fix rate mortgage. Again I could be wrong cause I'm a chiller tech and not a Mortgages expert.
 
#144 ·
hey facilities guy...did you think that you would learn all there was to know about how York guys and Trane guys don't get along AAANND learn a little about mortgages? :D

good luck.
 
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#145 ·
I don't any bad feelings for the York guys, I just wanna run JCI out of town, and darn near getting there. As for Trane, I am getting to respect them more and more everyday. The office here is extremely professional and well run. Work is work, and it is a paycheck, but I still gotta be happy where I am to be any good at what I do.
 
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#147 ·
refrtech said:
You really do not know what you are talking about I can see !! You say none of the OEM's are using them ...... McQuay has been using TurboCore compressors for a few years now . Oh nevermind , you said none " of the major manufacturers " are using them . I guess with McQuay only being the #2 HVAC OEM in the world , only behind Carrier , that doesn't count !! :rolleyes:
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Sorry for that....Mcquay isn't a big player over here (sorry we dont have 300 million + here) and if it makes you feel better I dont know crap about the industry....... McQuay is far from second in the industry over here...!!!!!!:D
 
#149 ·
Thats for all the supports guys......lol

Trane does make 134a machines. I attended those hearings because I happened to be in DC and thought it would be cool to see. I never meant to imply that the EPA director would be dumb enough to go on record to say R123 is safe. What was said is that R123 was put into the Hcfc ban with all the others and they felt that R123 on contributes to a small amount of the CFC's in service. As far as phasing out of R123 who knows if it will be expanded. I have read on the internet and other articles that I believe the European Union is trying to get 134A out because it's a green house gas. I know that auto's will be doing something with phase out of 134A only because of their 20-30% leak rates. Or tightening up their leak rates.

I have no preference to machine manufacturer because I work on all types. I simply feel when the question is asked which is safer for the ENVIRONMENT, you have to look beyond the patch on your shirt and say do I want ozone depletion or greenhouse gas? Neither, but maybe 134A is the future and one thing is certain, Trane WILL have to adapt if R123 phase out is not extended. By that time, we will probably having the argument will all the new guys on why 134a is better than the new and safer refrigerant.

And chiller 32, I pointed no fingers at the know it alls.....lol
Guilty conscience?...lol

We ALL bring alot of experience and insight to this industry.
 
#150 ·
My choice would be a TRANE CVHF with an adaptive frequency drive and adaptiview panel.

Liquid-Cooled Adaptive
Frequency™ Drive
with Tracer AdaptiView™ Control

For more info check out Tranes website gives you more info and lets you test drive the adaptiview panel.
 
#151 ·
I worked for York for 15 years. They put that oil bottle under the shaft seal for a reason. I now work on a lot of Trane, Carrier and York machines. They all have their good and bad points but I am really starting to like the Trane machines. Jci has taken the "secret handshake" on the York machines to the next level. Trane's new panel should kick the optiview down a few notches.
Doesn't the York machine spin at a much higher rpm than the Trane? How many times has the old York been torn down? Regular maintenance? Regular
maintenance or lack of it can make or break a machine.
 
#152 ·
Yeah, Yorkies spin faster than a Trane, about the same as a Carrier and slower than a McQuack. Tranes need regasketing every so often, McQuacks need rebuilding often, and Carriers just like to leak. All of 'em have their points good and bad. I still believe that the OEM's are finding their niches. I just love working on all of them, you know, the whole paid by the hour thingy.
 
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#153 ·
the007 said:
I don't any bad feelings for the York guys, I just wanna run JCI out of town, and darn near getting there. As for Trane, I am getting to respect them more and more everyday. The office here is extremely professional and well run. Work is work, and it is a paycheck, but I still gotta be happy where I am to be any good at what I do.
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Well, have you run JC out of town yet Mr. Dombroski? I can see it in the Chattanooga Times now.:rolleyes:
 
#154 ·
Almost. I am just now giving it my full attention. Hey, work is what you make it, and happiness is a huge part of that. Can't be happy somewhere where you need to call nancy every night and get your blood pressure to where your eyes are bulging. Oh, just looked at the 401k, and the match is just, well, satisfying. Enjoy it!!;)
 
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#155 ·
We will have to see how 134a gaskets stand upto the test of time, I just regasketed a 91 vintage CVHE that had never been opened up and it still wasn't a leaker, figured we better do it before it turned into one.I highly doubt a 134A chiller could go that long.
 
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#157 ·
DEATH and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

JAYGUY,

I do understand your experience with refrigerant leaks.

BUT, ?????????????

Do any of the manufactures or employers understand the life and death risks we take transporting refrigerants and other dangerous chemicals in
"CONFINED SPACES", LIKE VANS.

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I guess it will take the LAWYER for one of our "WIDOWS" or the family we are responsible for killing, to make them understand the cost.
 
#158 ·
acjournyman, I've got a '94 1500 ton York YK that has yet to leak refrigerant and barely any at the shaft seal. Every blind squirrel makes a tight one every now and again. I had some '64 model CV's that I had for over 6 years that didn't leak and didn't know of any that were ever fixed. They all take on their own personality and you just need to treat them accordingly. Anyway, tomorrow's Friday and I'm not on call. Can you say golf course?!?!:D
 
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#159 ·
York 134a machine definitely, just watch that seal!

I would stay away from the Trane, low pressure can be a PITA, getting in air, etc, sick of low pressure machines. Plus 123, you have to spend extra money on being ASHRAE-15 compliant.
 
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