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Hi, I am working on a project to break the control programming in a facility. I found that there are three programs: tracer summit, CPL and UPCM. When i look at one AHU, I found setpoints in the UPCM, a reset supply air programming in the CPL and the AHU graphic in the tracer summit. It was confusing which program is actually controlling the ahu. Does anyone can help me?
 
Welcome to the club.
Seriously, do searches on all those devices and you'll see many questions by myself and others. It takes a bit to understand all of it, but the Summit, CPL, UPCM all work together to provide control.
Do a search of Kwillmech's posts. He's one of many who have helped me understand that control system.
We have several under contract and I'm always learning something new.
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You will find that there are many ways to program, but the UPCM is the "unit" controller that is where all the "meat" of the programming for your AHU operation is at,CPL lives in the BCU and is used for averaging and other high level functions that rely on a lot of information like VAV temps and valve position that the UPCM cannot manage it is then used to manipulate the AHU to acheive a comfort level based on averaging of the "area" and so on, it is a bit confusing at first but after you get a basic understanding you should find that it is a great way to control a system if it is done right. The UPCM and PCM are old and going fast, but it depends on the person that programmed it, You can take 10 programmers and get 100 different programs all to do the same thing. You will find that the summit variables are used as place holders in the code of the UPCM, that is how you pass the analog and binary points from the summit level to the "unit" level(UPCM), you have to look at it as Master and slave, ie, BCU is the master, UPCM is a slave but has some control over its operation but looks to summit to provide certain information, ie... static setpoint, discharge air setpoint and so on.
Most of the time if summit is not passing valid information then the UPCM should default to what was programmed in as the default. There are a lot of people who can help you if you can post a little at a time as you find something you do not understand. Hope that helps a bit.
 
You could try the local Trane CSO, or whichever office installed the system and ask them for the As-Built drawings. But, if you are with a another controls vendor your not likely to get to far. If this is the case and you are still at your wits end after browsing the posts let me know. If your willing to provide me with a backup of the site (Summit .bdb) and an upload of the UPCM I'll tell you what it all doing. -Good Luck-
 
UPCM Binary Output

Hi,
I'm trying to configure an binary output to start a fan from the tracer summit graphics. So far I have verified with UPCM edit the UPCM where the actual output is connected. The output is located at Card 1 index 2. What I need to do is to create and configure the output on tracer summit to be able to attach it to a graphics.
I have try to do this by creating a new binary output and using the reference option to choose an output from the UPCM but this it is not working.

Please someone let me know how can I do this. THANKS
 
chauhk,
the upcm is actually controlling the AHU except for occupancy. although the upcm can do reset, it sounds like the summit is doing the calculation and sending the result down through a ASP, analog setpoint. the graphic point is just a reference used in the reset. i hope that the programmer has a default setpoint in the upcm just in case the communication between the summit and the upcm fail. i always programmed my upcm to have as little dependence on outside sources as possible.
 
Guys any one knows how much trane charge for upgrading or updating a summit license?
There is no Summit license, once you buy Summit it's yours forever and you don't have to pay again.

You can install service packs that are software packages that fix minor and sometimes major bugs in Summit. The service pack is free but Trane charges to come install them.

If you want to upgrade to a newer version of software then you will need a quote from Trane. In this area they were going for $$$$$$$ if I remember correctly.
 
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Thanks mallron,
that's just what i was expecting however i read that the free updates (service packs) can be downloaded from my trane controls.com . It is that right? Also do you have any odea on when they are going to jump from v17 to v18?
 
Yes service packs can be downloaded if you set up a account on that site.

I doubt v18 will ever come out. They are focusing on the Tracer SC and have said they will not go past v17 for summit.
 
Keep in mind that all mytranecontrols.com registations must be approved by your local office so there is no guarantee that they will allow you in.

I tried to register a pretty good customer once and got a call from the office the next day. The call was to let me know in a direct-indirect way that if the customers have access to mytranecontrols then they won't need to call us, needless to say that customer did not get registered.
 
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Scrooloose thanks for the info.
Mallron I know what your talking about and from my point of view the customer is the one who should be pushing to obtain the account since it is his "right" according to trane.
Any way guys I have tye following situation: I have an MP503 that has a 24vdc failure I try to reset it with rover but the failure remains, then I went to the MP503 and verify the 24vdc board and it is not working propperly.
I verify the MP503 and didnt see a batery or anything similar. I also verify the manual for the equipment and also the IOM for a MP580 and there are no details about the alarm. I also have another MP503 with the same alarm and the reset did workout.

Question: is that alarm caused by power outages? If it is, can I install a UPS for the MP503? If not, what could be causing such alarm and why the controller stop comunicating its values when the manual says that it is an alarm that will be automatically reset it when the condition for the failure returns to normal?

Thanks for any help

Thanks in advance for any
 
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1)We have one humidity sensor 4-20ma and one 0-10V temperature sensor connected to the MP503. For what you are telling me, I should verify the current draws on the incoming power transformer? or there is a way of verifying dc current draw for the inputs board?

2) Changing topic, we have to integrate a johnsoncontrols NAE system to the tracer summit system. What I have read and learn so far is that the JCs NAE talks Bacnet/IP just as TRANE`s BCUs does. If thats right and they are 100% Bacnet compatible I will only need to connect the NAE to the LAN, configure the NAE with IP Address, subnet ect ect and then create a new non-trane bacnet object on the tracer summit site config and add all the points to tracer summit and use them on graphics and so forth. Please let me know if you have any experience with this type of integration because my main concern is communication reliability.

thanks
 
1. You should have around a 50va tansformer to power the mp503. Then from the manual "Internal 24 Vdc, 80 mA power supply". So make sure your devices do not pull more than 80 mA total. If you have humidity sensors with LCD displays they can easily go over this.

2. Pretty much correct. There is a option in the NAEs i have done that you check to enable BACnet points or something like that. I have integrated to a lot and never had a issue with them. Points come in well. You will need to make CPL for some of the bo/ao you want to control if not done from a graphic.
 
Ok as a matter of fact the humidity sensor have an lcd display, I try to convince the customer to replace them with a non lcd display model.
On the integration my only responsability is to pull the points and create graphics and control the setpoints from tracer summit. All programming will reside on jc controllers. Any way I'll keep reading manuals (there are a lot! But if one really wants to learn and to be good at this thats the only way to go) and if I have any doubt I'll let you know. I really apreciate your help

thanks again
 
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