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There is a Dave Lennox awarded company in KC that's gotten the award for 28 years straight out of 7000 different dealers. (only 25 are picked)
Now I called this company last week to come look at my system its an older outdated r-22 system that's about a seer 8 and it can't cool the house, the heats ok but its a 21 year old unit working but lets face it its so old it has a standing pilot light on it, uses inside air to heat then blows some of out the roof by pulling fresh air in the walls,cracks and or any other place my 21 year old homes leaks air. These units need to be changed and KCPL has a Cool homes program that will save me a few hundred bucks to change out this old stuff, 3 rooms of the house have never heated or cooled when asked to anyway, Bad airflow 2 low wall return for 2 rooms in 1 2x4 wall cavity poorly done and up till last fall covered from the day the house was built (one room is a bathroom). All this over a garage with an r-9 insulation above it.

At any rate I called this company last week to look at this equipment, IE the ac had to be ran to make sure it's working it was 80 dgr out that day here.
The salesman calls the day the appointment was made to change it from 10:00 am to 11:00 am the next day. Next day comes he calls at about 10:57 saying his doctor appointment was longer then he figured it would be, ok so he can either come then and or be late or he's got tickets to the playoffs with a friend, I'm nice I said enjoy the game, he was going to come on Saturday, fine with me the wife will be home and she has to hear all this also, Saturday comes he calls about 2 min's before 11:00 am saying he's too sick (Hung over?) he'd call Monday morning and reschedule its now 2:39 pm no call yet!

Now you dealers that Sell Lennox know what the Dave Lennox award is right>? Do i call the company... its gotten stellar reviews or do I just forget it and find someone else?
He did call a service man to at least look at the equipment and say it is qualified to replace for the extra 850 bucks it will save me or so. I had also decided to change the hot-water heater at the same time its also gas and it uses the same chimney as the furnace that works I'm replacing with newer energy efferent equipment. (I'm keeping the old stuff its mine I payed for it and I'm selling the r-22 to a contractor I know that's a HVAC tech he' has to remove it) I'll either recycle or sell the used equipment that's still working.

This company has a A+ on the BBB and ranks high on Google and angies list and has been in KC for 50 years.
Perhaps its just a sick salesman that don't want to pass on the sale??? I don't know, but I do know he may have lost it now!
I understand sick or someone else setting up an appointment you can't make but come on! You can't make any of them or call me back!
I've also hinted about Manual J calculations and he didn't say anything about it but his 37 years doing this and he listens to what I'll say about the house and how the system works as well as windows doors insulation and space ex.... (looks like no blower door test) at least he said he wasn't using the 1 ton rule of Dumb! oh thumb rule most new home builds get!
Will this need a Permit from the city for the HVAC work?
If not when should one be asked for or gotten? Duct work change???


This company is good but I'm not felling it at this point.
 
Call the company, ask for the sales manager and then ask for a new salesperson. Any questions, just answer them as to why you want another person. If they can't or won't hop to it, then call another company. As to the brand, there's very little difference between brands, so just call a company who will satisfy you, regardless of brand. Good luck and post back with your results/questions!

Sounds like you've got an older salesperson with some problems.....IMO anyway!
 
I'd copy/paste this email to his boss, and CC the salesman. Find someone who's going to do it right, you're paying alot of money and don't need an 'eyeballer'.
 
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Small company! Family owned and operated. This might be the only salesmen.
He might just be Sick, at any rate I don't need his cold if he is!
But I should have gotten a call back today about when he might be able to show up, its all good I'm just trying to beat the summer rush to get HVAC units repaired ex...
I'm thinking this is about when you get the most service calls and or annual ck ups. Getting systems ready for the Spring.
I'm not in that big of hurry. My heater works right now its just not that energy efferent. Now on the other hand the Ac is junk at best! But why do one part and not all of it at the same time.
Whats wrong with us older People? I'm 53 is that a problem?
Is there a system that can take the heat you are going to dump outside from the AC for the summer and dump it into your water heater then the condenser outside and save on Gas during about 4-6 months a year? (My wife turns on the AC what Tulips start to pop up go figure)
 
Is there a system that can take the heat you are going to dump outside from the AC for the summer and dump it into your water heater then the condenser outside and save on Gas during about 4-6 months a year? (My wife turns on the AC what Tulips start to pop up go figure)
Yes its called a Heat Recovery Unit and it would be an add-on to any a/c unit but requires freon lines and water lines ran to the unit.
 
There is a Dave Lennox awarded company in KC that's gotten the award for 28 years straight out of 7000 different dealers. (only 25 are picked)
Now you dealers that Sell Lennox know what the Dave Lennox award is right>?
Yes, it means that they have been among the top movers of boxes that say Lennox on them for 28 straight years, participate in the marketing coop, and at least occasionally send employees to training classes at the local Lennox distributor, nothing more. ;)
 
Sad way of handling things is all I can say. I speaking from a salespersons point of view. Their is no way I would treat a customer like that. Sure things happen and or come up but 4 times come on!!!

I would call the company and state your firstrarion. Tell them you want to do bussiness with their company but not with that salesperson. I just hope their is not more to the story.

I always set my own appointments and verfiy with customer day before and day of to make sure nothing has changed in their schedule. I have had to reschedule a appointment due to personal problems or got hung up with another customer. It's simple for me when I am with a customer I am theirs till the load cal., quote etc... Is done unless a emergency comes up with either myself or them.

If you call and get the run around simple move on and find another contractor to look at your system. As I would not want to do bussiness with anyone who has to reschedule 4 times this time of year. I wonder what he or she does when gets really busy.

If I have to reschedule a appointment due to my schedule that's a instant $$$$ amount of discount for the customer as I feel their time is valuable as is mine. So they should receive a discount unless appointment time is changed at least 24 hours before the 1st visit is to take place.

Please post back what you end up doing and how the company handles this problem with missing 4 appointments.
 
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Yes its called a Heat Recovery Unit and it would be an add-on to any a/c unit but requires freon lines and water lines ran to the unit.
The Guy that came out to look at the unit to find out if it got the Discounts from the Electrical and gas company didn't know of any device like that, in fact he was confused about it when I asked.
 
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Yes, it means that they have been among the top movers of boxes that say Lennox on them for 28 straight years, participate in the marketing coop, and at least occasionally send employees to training classes at the local Lennox distributor, nothing more. ;)
Kind of what I thought, Like Car Audio and any other sales type of profession. As in Top 5 Ford dealers ex....
It not giving them anything more then an Idea that there supporting that product line. (I'd assume they have had good luck with it)
I might not be able to afford all the toys or options I'm looking to get but at least I'd like to have been offered the idea of it or option of adding it later if its out of the budget now.
At this Point I have no idea what this stuff cost and I can't ask about it either.



What was that Question? About more Government?
 
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Still no call no Show! I e-mailed the company today lets see what happens? Perhaps he's so sick he passed out (Drunk) and can't get up?
You know Collage basketball is still on, somehow I think this is the problem. Sick is one thing but you pass it onto the office your sick and let them handle it. Unless this is there only sales man.
Wow I posted this almost 10 days ago. What if my system didn't work???? GRRRRRR
My bad is I spent a lot of time looking into this company, but I'm starting to see a different picture then I got from qualifications posted.
I won't name the company, thats not fair this might just be the one guy. The tec that came out to inspect it for KCPL's replacement did a good job but he did start to walk away from a 220 volt box open outside with exposed wires I made him close because kids might walk up and put there fingers in a live box 2 feet off the ground. (Sorry not a smart move he said he does it all the time never had a problem only takes one kid one death then its a problem) I asked the guy to close the box at least. He put it back together.
 
Still no call no Show! I e-mailed the company today lets see what happens? Perhaps he's so sick he passed out (Drunk) and can't get up?
You know Collage basketball is still on, somehow I think this is the problem. Sick is one thing but you pass it onto the office your sick and let them handle it. Unless this is there only sales man.
Wow I posted this almost 10 days ago. What if my system didn't work???? GRRRRRR
My bad is I spent a lot of time looking into this company, but I'm starting to see a different picture then I got from qualifications posted.
I won't name the company, thats not fair this might just be the one guy. The tec that came out to inspect it for KCPL's replacement did a good job but he did start to walk away from a 220 volt box open outside with exposed wires I made him close because kids might walk up and put there fingers in a live box 2 feet off the ground. (Sorry not a smart move he said he does it all the time never had a problem only takes one kid one death then its a problem) I asked the guy to close the box at least. He put it back together.
I would move on to a company that will value your business! The salesperson is a repenstive for his company and if I practiced this kind of work I wouldn't have a job. I would have to say that if this anything like the install would go you wouldn't want to use them.

I am just puzzled by how they keep putting you off? I don't understand how people think they can expect to get business from a customer when acting in this manner of lack of acting. When it comes to service he is painting a bad picture of how his company does bussiness.

Again I woundnt keep waiting for this company. As their are a lot of good companies out there that want to earn to bussiness and it sounds like you are ready to buy a new system. So move on and find a company that will value you, your home and your time.
 
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Still no call no Show! I e-mailed the company today lets see what happens? Perhaps he's so sick he passed out (Drunk) and can't get up?
You know Collage basketball is still on, somehow I think this is the problem. Sick is one thing but you pass it onto the office your sick and let them handle it. Unless this is there only sales man.
Wow I posted this almost 10 days ago. What if my system didn't work???? GRRRRRR
My bad is I spent a lot of time looking into this company, but I'm starting to see a different picture then I got from qualifications posted.
I won't name the company, thats not fair this might just be the one guy. The tec that came out to inspect it for KCPL's replacement did a good job but he did start to walk away from a 220 volt box open outside with exposed wires I made him close because kids might walk up and put there fingers in a live box 2 feet off the ground. (Sorry not a smart move he said he does it all the time never had a problem only takes one kid one death then its a problem) I asked the guy to close the box at least. He put it back together.
all this and your still waiting on this company :gah:
 
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The guy showed up today! I re-emailed the shop and he called me back Whizzing with Asthma, he had forgotten. and by the looks of it he might have done me a favor now rebates are being offered that weren't about 10 days ago for the same stuff.
I asked him if he's worked with Asbestos, answer is yes...... I felt sorry for the guy walking up and down stairs he was Whizzing real bad and couldn't get his breath, ( I have the same thing I know what its like its not fun he should be at home in bed)
He's been in HVAC for 34 years and did a lot of changing out stuff with asbestos I told him to get look at for you know what.
No manual J calculations... but he did take note of duct size Trunk size windows and asked about walls thickness and insulation.He also noted the main trunk was odd sized, and the return was to small. so he might be doing a manual J type of calculation without a blower door test and looking into air flow through vents and returns. I did ask about permits he said yes. (the city passed the old system why should they care now)
Seems this place might be a bit to old school.
 
The guy showed up today! I re-emailed the shop and he called me back Whizzing with Asthma, he had forgotten. and by the looks of it he might have done me a favor now rebates are being offered that weren't about 10 days ago for the same stuff.
I asked him if he's worked with Asbestos, answer is yes...... I felt sorry for the guy walking up and down stairs he was Whizzing real bad and couldn't get his breath, ( I have the same thing I know what its like its not fun he should be at home in bed)
He's been in HVAC for 34 years and did a lot of changing out stuff with asbestos I told him to get look at for you know what.
No manual J calculations... but he did take note of duct size Trunk size windows and asked about walls thickness and insulation.He also noted the main trunk was odd sized, and the return was to small. so he might be doing a manual J type of calculation without a blower door test and looking into air flow through vents and returns. I did ask about permits he said yes. (the city passed the old system why should they care now)
Seems this place might be a bit to old school.
The city passed the old system and why should they care now. That's a new one for me. Why they should care, you should care and he should care is simple to make sure it's meets code. Who knows what code violations you might or might not have? Sounds like he is not the guy and or his company for you.

While I hate to hear about his health issues! It just seems to many negative variables going on and the install has not even been started. Did he even leave you a detailed estimate of the scope of the work? While he might have been in the business for 34 years both he and his company don't sound like who I would want to do work for anyone. No load cal., failure to apper when promised, no permits etc... Something just doesn't seem right with this guy and his company?
 
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I do care:
The system fails its first inspection when the house was built 21-22 years ago but the house passed final inspection there is no mention on the permits list stating it was ever approved. I'd have to assume the Final on the house it was passed but it don't say that.

As for him I was supposed to get a quote via e-mail yesterday it didn't come.
Now I'm done with them. Looking for someone different.

As for the original system its never worked right. I think it has a lot to do with fresh air return and not enough of it. So a blower door test is something I'm looking for someone to ask me about doing.
 
you'll probably need permits for the change out. most hvac
companies pull permits for the homeowner. or here in my area of La.

better off without the company that gave you the run around.
find another company that is more customer & service oriented.

you should invest in duct testing in addition to the blower door testing.
most do both. solving any duct/return & comfort issues should
be addressed at time of hvac replacement.
www.resnet.us lists energy raters in all states.
we do duct testing as a standard with blower door.

Hey west monroe...are you sales or install or both?
is is spring up there yet?

best of luck.
 
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Its funny you said that! I got a new quote from a different company about x dollars higher then the first lets just say he was hitting me at about 1/3 more. Without any calculations and this guys is pushy salesmen I told the guy no he came in a lot higher then the first quote call ended.
He calls back about 2 min later asking why I said I hinted around about the ductwork and return being low and you didn't even bring up Manual J calculations, I wanted to see if he would. This place makes it money from moving boxes I take it. He got defensive and said he could do them at no extra cost but his schedule was dbl booked yesterday and he only do them if he had a signed contract, Problem is you'd be stuck with a set price.
What they offered I could Diy it but I'm not doing that I'm paying someone to do the system right the first time, its not like I can't figure this stuff out. but bring in units leval them and hook up lines anyone can turn a wrench (Don't mean its right) I was depending on them to install the correct equipment to do the job correctly, I can't do that part. His motto is all equipment has problems its the installer that makes the difference, I'll agree 100% with that comment but he's shot his selfe in the foot with how he did a quote.
NEXT:
Why should a customer have to bring this stuff up? At least measure the vents and registers and do a blower door test, you can't expect to get Premium prices for 1/2 the job.
His idea was a 2 stage blower at 95% eff variable speed and the same size compressor with a heater 10k btu more to fix the problem we have.
I'm certain its the lack of return and the system can't breath. Also the main trunk is small and its a 2 story house. The system was never done right had it been it would have never froz up twice in the past 13 years I've owned it.
I must be one of them guys that knows to much for a home owner for my own good.
I was gonna pay cash but it looks like its gonna cost more then I figured in the first place. (This is one area you can apply the rule of thumb to general idea of price)
I should go back to collage apparently dropping boxes using your level and routing a few lines pays good money. And I haven't had a job in 7 years. (Naw then you have to deal with ID10T's like me)
 
ya move on theres alot of co. out there who'd love to take on a new customer and treat them as such
and for what its worth a 21 year old furnace wont have a standing pilot it must be alot older than you think
 
There's good contractors out there, you just havn't found him yet. You do get what you pay for, not saying the highest bid is always the best but it takes a lot of expensive equipment, highly paid technicians and lots of continued education to be on top of all the new technology and better installation practices that make these high efficiency systems work to their full potential.
 
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