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This is our first summer in a home that is new to us (built in 2002). The hous is in the Phoenix area with a concrete slab. The bulk of the system is in the attic. The house is served by a 2 ton and a 3 ton unit. When we moved in last fall the filters on the three returns were clogged to the point that one of the units would freeze up. We have kept fresh filters in the system since and have had the ducts inspected to make sure they are clean (they are).

About 6 weeks ago we noticed a dusty smell that mirrors the smell of the attic space when the AC system kicks on. It is most noticeable in the two rooms on the smaller unit, likely because they are not as open as the rest of the house. The smell gets worse later in the day (maybe the result of the unit being on more often as it gets hotter?).

In an attempt to troubleshoot this I have had the ductwork checked for leaks, was told by a duct cleaning company that my ducts are clean and not the source of the smell, had the units serviced, weatherstripped the attic hatch door (opposite the return where the smell is the worst), all to no avail.

My wife is preganant and can smell everything right now, making it unbearable for her. I can smell it too (I'm not pregnant!) and it fires up my allergies as soon as I walk into the room. It has been suggested that I have the coils cleaned - however no one can say with certainty that will solve the problem. And, I am being told it will cost $xxx to $xxx to have them cleaned becuse of how difficult they are to access in the attic. If it works - I don't care about the cost. If it doesn't work, I worry about introducing the smell of the cleaner into the house and the impact it well have on my wife's super sensitive nose.

Any thoughts/suggestions?

Steve
 
This is our first summer in a home that is new to us (built in 2002). The hous is in the Phoenix area with a concrete slab. The bulk of the system is in the attic. The house is served by a 2 ton and a 3 ton unit. When we moved in last fall the filters on the three returns were clogged to the point that one of the units would freeze up. We have kept fresh filters in the system since and have had the ducts inspected to make sure they are clean (they are).

About 6 weeks ago we noticed a dusty smell that mirrors the smell of the attic space when the AC system kicks on. It is most noticeable in the two rooms on the smaller unit, likely because they are not as open as the rest of the house. The smell gets worse later in the day (maybe the result of the unit being on more often as it gets hotter?).

In an attempt to troubleshoot this I have had the ductwork checked for leaks, was told by a duct cleaning company that my ducts are clean and not the source of the smell, had the units serviced, weatherstripped the attic hatch door (opposite the return where the smell is the worst), all to no avail.

My wife is preganant and can smell everything right now, making it unbearable for her. I can smell it too (I'm not pregnant!) and it fires up my allergies as soon as I walk into the room. It has been suggested that I have the coils cleaned - however no one can say with certainty that will solve the problem. And, I am being told it will cost $600 to $800 to have them cleaned becuse of how difficult they are to access in the attic. If it works - I don't care about the cost. If it doesn't work, I worry about introducing the smell of the cleaner into the house and the impact it well have on my wife's super sensitive nose.

Any thoughts/suggestions?

Steve
If you filters were that dirty i would really see if the coil and condensate pans need to be cleaned, as well as, the condensate drain.

But a good PM would tell you if you have a n issues with the coil being dirty.

In either event Coil cleaning would be my first check. The other things is carpet, any new construction-the materials could be giving off that smell.

there are many links in this forum you can read about this same issue.

what type of ducts do you have. Metal pipe or duct board? how often do you clean your filters?
 
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Thanks for the quick reply. Our main duct work is duct board with flexible lines to the vents (not a very handy guy - but that's what I gather from looking at googled pictures of those terms).

We change the filters monthly in the summer (don't use the furnaces in the winter).

I have pulled up all of the carpet in the house at around the same time this all started because the previous owners had pets with poor bladder control. New carpet is installed next weekend. Is it possible that dust/fibers from removing the carpet could be the culprit? I imagine it still needs a coil clean if that is the case.

Thanks again
 
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Update - had a reputable company (and a great technician) out on Saturday. He showed me pictures of the condensor coils and they are clean. He was stumped and couldn't offer any other suggestions besides maybe an air scrubber system or UV lights. Will UV lights help with smell - or is their impact just killing off germs?
 
Nothing for the smell. You can get a 1" electronic air cleaner for a little bit more than a uv light that will help with odors. A lot of that dust, glues and whatever was in the floor is going to get pulled through the system. Maybe its some of that?
 
Update - had a reputable company (and a great technician) out on Saturday. He showed me pictures of the condensor coils and they are clean. He was stumped and couldn't offer any other suggestions besides maybe an air scrubber system or UV lights. Will UV lights help with smell - or is their impact just killing off germs?
I think you meant Evaporator coil. Did the tech clean or just take pics? the duct board you have in the attic what kind of shape is it in? you have to kame sure the duct doesn't have any splits in them. Also make sure you return is sealed tight and not pulling in attic air.

How old i s the duct board?
 
Dusty smell is vague discription of an odor. Musty could also be a possiblity, indicating possible bacterial/fungal growth in the ducts. Consider that the cooling coil area is isolated and wet for many hours everyday. Some knooks may be damp for days. All so many homes do not get adequate fresh air change to purge indoor pollutants and renew oxygen.
Many have had success adding filtered fresh air ventilation and whole house dehumidification to provide controlled indoor <50%Rh throughout on a continous basis. Ducting the whole house dehumidifier through the air handler also will throurghly dry out the entire cooling coil area everyday to prevent an biological growth in the normally damp duct areas.
Additional benefits are being able to have contolled filtered, fresh air when occupied, <50%RH even during cool wet weather and no cooling load.
Keed us posted on how you resolve this. Most get used to the unique odor of their homes. But you can have a near perfect, fresh, dry, and comfortable space. Check out the Ultra-Aire whole house systems.
Regards TB
 
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Hey there, Did you end up figuring out what caused it? Did you end up fixing the issue?
The last post in this thread was 12 years ago! ​The original poster hasn't been on the site for many years.
We frown on resurrecting anything over a year old.
 
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thanks @airconb - when you say if vertical check/clean the area below air handler - what do you mean? like the area under the air handler should be clean of dust and stuff as well?
 
yikes...i just needed help here and the original post had the exact same situation that I'm having currently. my mistake for asking!
You are welcome to start a new thread of your own.
 
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What is your situation? Can you describe the details?

The original poster mentioned that the supply air smell paralleled the smell the attic. After hearing that - and despite the reports that all the ducts were intact and sealed - I would be wanting to measure the air pressure n the attic. When the indoor blower was operating versus when the indoor blower was off.


yikes...i just needed help here and the original post had the exact same situation that I'm having currently. my mistake for asking!
 
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More detail from another post of mine from a similar problem. Dusty and musty could be the same problem.


The cause of the problem is a damp area within the ducts that is not drying out of days. Killing the bacteria causing the problem probably will not fix the problem long term. There is probably bacteria sources from the home like floor drain traps to reseed the damp region.

The key to thorough dry the ducts every day or two to interrupt the growth cycle of the biological causing the problem. Cooling coils usually flush dirt to the drain. Thing like circulating dry air throughout ducts are more effective. Also maintaining <50%RH in the home helps.

You must find the damp spot and improve drainage from the area to eliminate the moisture that these biologicals need to maintain growth large enough to generate an odor. Low corners in condensate pans are typical areas. Support brackets in condensate pans retain moisture and dirt. The pan requires adequate pitch and no moisture retaining areas in the the pant.

Also maintaining a fresh air change in 3-4 hours purges indoor pollutants/odors and renew oxygen that kills biologicals. It's similar to aerating pond of water.

Regards Teddy Bear
 
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More detail from another post of mine from a similar problem. Dusty and musty could be the same problem.


The cause of the problem is a damp area within the ducts that is not drying out of days. Killing the bacteria causing the problem probably will not fix the problem long term. There is probably bacteria sources from the home like floor drain traps to reseed the damp region.

The key to thorough dry the ducts every day or two to interrupt the growth cycle of the biological causing the problem. Cooling coils usually flush dirt to the drain. Thing like circulating dry air throughout ducts are more effective. Also maintaining <50%RH in the home helps.

You must find the damp spot and improve drainage from the area to eliminate the moisture that these biologicals need to maintain growth large enough to generate an odor. Low corners in condensate pans are typical areas. Support brackets in condensate pans retain moisture and dirt. The pan requires adequate pitch and no moisture retaining areas in the the pant.

Also maintaining a fresh air change in 3-4 hours purges indoor pollutants/odors and renew oxygen that kills biologicals. It's similar to aerating pond of water.

Regards Teddy Bear
If you can get everyone out of the house and run an ozone generator, it will get rid of those smells. It kills mold spores too. Pets and plants have to go too.

Sincerely,

William McCormick
 
Have you had ozone kill indoor plants? If so; at what level?

I ask because my basil plants seem to survive ozone but that's all I grow indoors so maybe other plants are killed? I occasionally buy whole plants (I eat a lot of fresh basil) and they sometimes arrive with some kind of leaf eating bug infestation. Two hours of 10,000 mgh at mid day was my first attempt - which seemed to kill the bug but not the plant. More recently I went to using Neem Oil on any new plants arriving and that seems to work more easily than timing the ozone on and off.

I really think a bushel-basket of indoor air quality complaints could be solved with a 24-48 hours of 10,000+ mgh ozone generator, constant blower operation, and dehumidifying to <50%. Even breaking the ozone timing into 4-5-6 hour segments (say mid-day when no one is home) seems to cure. Then the proper RH% maintains.



If you can get everyone out of the house and run an ozone generator, it will get rid of those smells. It kills mold spores too. Pets and plants have to go too.

Sincerely,

William McCormick
 
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